SandraC said:
There is only two legitimate things about pre-season/spring training: no one is as good or bad as they look and of course, injuries. Other than that, it's all smoke and mirrors.
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There is only two legitimate things about pre-season/spring training: no one is as good or bad as they look and of course, injuries. Other than that, it's all smoke and mirrors.
$80k to charity so far this preseason after week 2, though that will get reduced as these minimum salary first time offenders can have their fines reduced to 25% of a gamecheck. Broncos S Rahim Moore was fined $20k for his hit on Bills WR Jones, and Buccaneers LB Mason Foster was fined $20k for his hit on Chad Ochocinco.
I can see objections with Moore's hit on Jones, but in the end he was headhunting, he went high on a defenseless player.
When players start tackling again and stop hitting perhaps there will be fewer fines.
Ochocinco insists on reimbursing Foster because he does not agree with the fine, which could result in the first ever discipline for helping another player avoid discipline.
Also... a change in the way PED suspensions was agreed to in the last few days... masking agents are now 2 games instead of 4, which was the same punishment as being caught outright cheating. Now though if you test positive for PEDs it's a 6 game suspension. With HGH testing starting this season that could be significant.
I can see objections with Moore's hit on Jones, but in the end he was headhunting, he went high on a defenseless player.
When players start tackling again and stop hitting perhaps there will be fewer fines.
Ochocinco insists on reimbursing Foster because he does not agree with the fine, which could result in the first ever discipline for helping another player avoid discipline.
Also... a change in the way PED suspensions was agreed to in the last few days... masking agents are now 2 games instead of 4, which was the same punishment as being caught outright cheating. Now though if you test positive for PEDs it's a 6 game suspension. With HGH testing starting this season that could be significant.
Ochocinco wishes to pay Foster's fine
Chad Ochocinco of New England Patriots wants to pay NFL's $20k fine of Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Mason Foster - ESPN Boston
Chad Ochocinco of New England Patriots wants to pay NFL's $20k fine of Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Mason Foster - ESPN Boston
He WAS NOT headhunting at all, he was making a play with no time to react. He's a rookie, "he just needs to learn to hit lower", says Brian Dawkins.
So glad your opinion was enlightened from last year!!!
Sandra
What did I say last year?
I'm not going to get into anything...if you want to read it, I'm sure you can go back to last year's thread. Let's just say I agree 100% with you this year and leave it at that! Everybody wins!
Sandra
After looking at it a couple of times, it just doesn't seem like headhunting and more of a rookie mistake like Yaz has stated.
Hey...YOU made the statement... I do not remember stating that win-loss results were important. IF you disagree, prove me wrong. Simple as that.
You didn't say win-loss results were important last year, but you also didn't say what you're saying this year...that other than injuries it's all smoke and mirrors. I agree with you say this year.
Sandra
Yeah, it will be interesting to see if 85 follows through, and what the NFL does. I imagine they'll have to issue a warning along the lines of either a suspension or exponentially larger fine because they can't have players undermine league discipline.
@yaz96 oh I agree, I meant the hit itself is why he was fined despite his intent, was unintentionally brief when I was making that point.
I am curious to know what I said last year....I mean you are trying to hold me to the fire for something I SUPPOSEDLY said, but you cannot seem to know what I said.
Look, I have NO ISSUES with holding me accountable for what I say...NONE. But IF you are gonna do, at least KNOW and PROVE I said something. I mean seriously....
I am curious to know what I said last year....I mean you are trying to hold me to the fire for something I SUPPOSEDLY said, but you cannot seem to know what I said.
Look, I have NO ISSUES with holding me accountable for what I say...NONE. But IF you are gonna do, at least KNOW and PROVE I said something. I mean seriously....
You and I were debating the validity of preseason games. Your point was that the first team vs. first team results early in the game were important. I disagreed. That is all.
I completely agree with what you say this year, that aside from injuries it's all smoke and mirrors.
Sandra
Note to Ramy...I apologize for bringing this up at all. My mistake.
Please don't just ban us, please read the thread...as you can see I am doing my best to not to get into a ten page debate, and my main point really was that I agree with his stance this year. I'm sorry I brought up last year at all, as I should have known it would get to CAPS and everything else.
My bad...I'm going to stop the hijacking of this thread right here.
Sandra
So was that deleted by Salsa or by Ramy? Scott never bothered to figure out how to show deletion messages for people that don't pay him.
I have ALWAYS.....repeat ALWAYS stated is that the end result....the score, means NOTHING. What I have always looked for in pre-season games was that there were improvements from my teams 1st team on a weekly basis, both offense and defense and pray there is no injuries....NOTHING MORE. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
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