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You can't compare the college playoff to the NFL either. The commissioners and presidents keep saying they don't want to be like the NFL. I think the top 4 teams should be taken, but I also think winning your conference needs to be given some weight in the rankings.

I don't think Stanford would have deserved to get in last year over Oregon, just because Oregon played a tougher out of conference schedule. I also don't think it was fair to LSU to give Bama a second chance last year when they had their chance on their own home field and couldn't get it done. So they got to sit back while LSU had to play a Conference championship game first, then let Bama take another shot.

Using the Big East as an example is pretty weak, I really don't think an undefeated Big East Champ is going to be in the top 4. The schedule is just not there, it is gonna be tough enough for an undefeated ACC champ to be in the top 4
 
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My gripe is they keep saying they want to protect the importance of the regular season. Well if winning your conference doesn't mean squat, then do away with the conferences and let everyone freely schedule like Notre Dame.
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How exactly does taking just the top four teams dilute the importance of the regular season? You still have to win on the field during the regular season, and you would still need to beat healthy competition to be included in that top 4. IMO, if you just take conference champs, it would do more to dilute the importance of the regular season (depending on how they do it) because you could have a 2 or 3 loss team in the playoff over a team that only lost 1 (or 2). All conference champs are NOT created equal, my apologies to the ACC and Big East (and lesser conferences) of the world, for this period of time anyway.
 
My point was that there was a very good chance last season the final poll, with the favoritism voting, could have been LSU, Alabama, Stanford and Arkansas. So 3 non conference champs would get in over a 1 loss Big 12 champ and a 2 loss Pac 12 champ because they lost late in the season or because they scheduled tough out of conference early in the season.

My opinion and it must be in the minority is that unless they go to an 8 team or more playoff, winning the conference should be given some credence, otherwise whats the point of having conferences. If you are going to have conferences, prove it on the field and win the conference and then prove it by beating the best team from the other conferences.

IMO it is hard to say you're the best team, if you haven't won your own conference or played the Champs from the other conferences. I give LSU props for last season, they won their conference and beat the Pac12 and Big East champs out of conference, then was forced to give a team, that couldn't get it done the first time a second chance.
 
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My point was that there was a very good chance last season the final poll, with the favoritism voting, could have been LSU, Alabama, Stanford and Arkansas. So 3 non conference champs would get in over a 1 loss Big 12 champ and a 2 loss Pac 12 champ because they lost late in the season or because they scheduled tough out of conference early in the season.
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There was little to no chance that Arkansas would get in over Ok State. Over a two loss Pac 12 champ, maybe, as their only two losses were to the top two teams.

My opinion and it must be in the minority is that unless they go to an 8 team or more playoff, winning the conference should be given some credence, otherwise whats the point of having conferences. If you are going to have conferences, prove it on the field and win the conference and then prove it by beating the best team from the other conferences.
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See, I dont agree. Not completely anyway. If you win a conference championship game (note, I said the extra game), especially in one of the power conferences, that can help propel a team into one of those four spots, if of course they took care of their business on the field during the regular season in relation to the other teams in contention from other conferences. So I guess what I am saying is, it will be given some credence, whether they make wining a conf champ a requirement or not.


IMO it is hard to say you're the best team, if you haven't won your own conference or played the Champs from the other conferences. I give LSU props for last season, they won their conference and beat the Pac12 and Big East champs out of conference, then was forced to give a team, that couldn't get it done the first time a second chance.
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I am sure my homerism plays a part in my disagreement here, just as your support of Ok State does in yours.

IMO only, last year got it right. It was an anomaly for sure, but if one gives LSU props for their season, and there is little doubt that they were one of the best two teams, and played a hell of a schedule, then there should also be little doubt that Bama validated their selection by such a dominating win.

Other teams may have had an argument, but their own shortcomings in the regular season was the only reason that they did not get in. Hard to say that the regular season was meaningless based on that alone.

But yes, we have all argued this to no end. :)
 
My thoughts on whether to have non-conf champs in the playoffs.

Only allow them if all the conference champs get in first (ala Basketball, every other NCAA football division, and the NFL). So until they go to a 16 team playoff, then it should be conference champs only.

If you can't win your conference, you have no right to complain about being left out. After all, you had every chance to win your conference in the first place.
 
If it is only four slots though, how do you decide which conference champs go? Still plenty of room for complaining with that model as well. And if a conference champ is ranked below a non conference champ, then it would seem that the left out team would have a right to complain.

Unless the conferences were equal on a competitive level, I just cant support a conf champ only scenario. Not that my opinion really matter outside of the forum, and probably not much here either. :)
 
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Until they go to a larger playoff, winning the Conference is just considered the first round of winning the national title. If you can't win it, then you don't move to the next round and your out.

edit I do agree there needs to be a strong strength of schedule component, as obviously there are a few conferences that stand above the rest, but I still don't agree with the chance of leaving out a champ because they scheduled tough out of conference or lost late instead of early in the season.
 
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Any deal likely will be tweaked as early as two or three years into the structure to allow the market to determine a fair price for the semifinals and the championship game. While ESPN has right of first refusal and an exclusive negotiating window before the bidding process is opened, a BCS source told Sporting News the goal is to get ESPN, NBC, Fox and CBS to bid on some or all of the package and drive up the price.

The new college football postseason television model could look a lot like the NFL postseason model: The most important game rotated annually among television partners.
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BCS meetings to decide playoff format with $5 billion TV deal possible - NCAA Football - Sporting News
 
I am afraid that not only will the television model look like the pro version, but the on the field post season model will as well. Eventually anyway.


There is a reason I watch the college game, and there is a reason that it is more fun to talk about , to me anyway.

If they make it like the pro game, well hell, might as well watch the pros.

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osu1991 said:
Until they go to a larger playoff, winning the Conference is just considered the first round of winning the national title. If you can't win it, then you don't move to the next round and your out.

edit I do agree there needs to be a strong strength of schedule component, as obviously there are a few conferences that stand above the rest, but I still don't agree with the chance of leaving out a champ because they scheduled tough out of conference or lost late instead of early in the season.
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I can agree with the edit. Partly my point, be it conference champ, or simply a one or two loss conference team that happens to play in a tougher conference.

And the loss late versus early in the season argument can go for conference champ, or division runner up. Or any team in between really.
 
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