NCAA Football 2008-09 Season

[mccoyrj]

Ohio State and Georgia was the too teams that alot thought would be playing for the MNC in the beginning of the year...

I figured on tOSU, but I knew Georgia wasn't going to be in it - they were way overhyped at the end of last season. I was thinking Florida would win the SEC.

The team I didn't think was gong to be where they are was Bama - unbelievable what Saban has done in just two years (basta**d ).

 

[Jimbo]

if they add a conference championship game, at least the 2 best teams in the conference will be a bit more prepared for the bowls

No NEED for a CCG, you guys do it for the money, thats all.

IF the Big 10 went to a CCG it would require them to split up the teams into divisions and then you would not be able to assure that either Ohio State and Michigan would be able to play every year , that is a MUST ....
IF you put them in the SAME division, then your already saying that ONE of them cannot play in the Big bowls because the Big Ten always gets slighted when it comes to bowl games, they would complain if they had to have a second Big ten team in the BSC .... the way it is right now, IF Penn State wins this weekend, they will more than likely be the only Big Ten team in the BSC.

Jimbo

 

[Jimbo]

Jimbo, remember the winners of the Big East and ACC get a token entrance to a BCS Bowl regardless of overall ranking.

Oh thats right, so they can be NON Ranked and still get in, doesn't seem right ....
Thought they had to be in the top 12, guess not.

Jimbo

 

[Jimbo]

I figured on tOSU, but I knew Georgia wasn't going to be in it - they were way overhyped at the end of last season. I was thinking Florida would win the SEC.

The team I didn't think was gong to be where they are was Bama - unbelievable what Saban has done in just two years (basta**d ).

I figured that Alabama may be pretty darn good this year and better yet.
Like or Dislike Saban, he sure can coach.

Jimbo

 

[mccoyrj]

...IF the Big 10 went to a CCG it would require them to split up the teams into divisions and then you would not be able to assure that either Ohio State and Michigan would be able to play every year , that is a MUST....Jimbo

Actually, they could play each other every year. In the SEC, each team is locked into a permanent series with a team in the opposite division. LSU plays Florida (not sure how that happened), Bama plays Tennessee, etc.

 

[Jimbo]

Actually, they could play each other every year. In the SEC, each team is locked into a permanent series with a team in the opposite division. LSU plays Florida (not sure how that happened), Bama plays Tennessee, etc.

Didn't know that.

 

[mccoyrj]

Didn't know that.

Yeah, it's kind of an unfair setup in the SEC. Currently, each SEC team plays all five teams in their division every year on a home-and-home basis, two rotating opponents from the opposite division in a two-year series on a home-and-home, and one lock from the opposite division on a home-and-home.

The Big XII operates the same way, with division opponents playing a round robin, which I'm in favor of. But their inter-divisional games are different and more simple. Each school plays three teams from the opposite division for two straight seasons on a home-and-home basis. Then for the second half of the four year cycle, each school plays the three other teams on a two-season home-and-home series. Everyone plays everyone fairly, and there are no four-year gaps between playing a conference opponent like there are in the SEC, just two-year gaps.

I think the SEC did that to preserve the Alabama/Tennessee game, a traditional rivalry. Crazy.

 

[SabresRule]

Mccoy,

does LSU stick with the new QB that saved them against Troy for the Ole Miss game?

 

[Jimbo]

Yeah, it's kind of an unfair setup in the SEC. Currently, each SEC team plays all five teams in their division every year on a home-and-home basis, two rotating opponents from the opposite division in a two-year series on a home-and-home, and one lock from the opposite division on a home-and-home.

The Big XII operates the same way, with division opponents playing a round robin, which I'm in favor of. But their inter-divisional games are different and more simple. Each school plays three teams from the opposite division for two straight seasons on a home-and-home basis. Then for the second half of the four year cycle, each school plays the three other teams on a two-season home-and-home series. Everyone plays everyone fairly, and there are no four-year gaps between playing a conference opponent like there are in the SEC, just two-year gaps.

I think the SEC did that to preserve the Alabama/Tennessee game, a traditional rivalry. Crazy.

So, the SEC and Big 12 don't play everyone in thier conference every year either, so I don't know why everyone jumps on the Big 10 about not playing everyone.

Just go out and win your games, thats all that needs to happen weather your in a division or not.
If you want we can break the big 10 into two divisions and see if the outcome would be any different, your still going to have Ohio State , Penn State and Michigan State at the top regardless, as you would in the SEC or Big 12 ...
Really no need for the CCG's

Jimbo

 

[The Insider]

No NEED for a CCG, you guys do it for the money, thats all.

IF the Big 10 went to a CCG it would require them to split up the teams into divisions and then you would not be able to assure that either Ohio State and Michigan would be able to play every year , that is a MUST ....
IF you put them in the SAME division, then your already saying that ONE of them cannot play in the Big bowls because the Big Ten always gets slighted when it comes to bowl games, they would complain if they had to have a second Big ten team in the BSC .... the way it is right now, IF Penn State wins this weekend, they will more than likely be the only Big Ten team in the BSC.

Jimbo

The way the SEC has it is you play everyone in your "division" and you also have at least 1 team you MUST play from the other division each year. Example. FLA always plays LSU, the same can be done for Mich vs OSU if they were in different divisions..

Money is a factor sure, the biggest factor is though the SEC believes finding its champion on the field, vs the polls. Along with a few other Conferences. Why the Big10 is not joining the ranks I have no idea. It would only help them. And give their fans one more big game to focus on.

Penn State if they win would be the only one loss team left in the Big Ten right? So it would make since being the Big10 Champion they get a BCS bowl game. OSU Is a 2 Loss Team, I dont know if they deserve a bowl over say, a 1 loss Alabama (or even a 2 loss FLA for that matter if their second loss was to Alabama) or over Texas, or possibley a 2 loss Oklahoma, and a 1 loss, USC. Dont forget Oregon State.. It will be very very hard for OSU to get a BCS bowl game, To many teams ahead of them more deserving.

 

[The Insider]

Yeah, it's kind of an unfair setup in the SEC. Currently, each SEC team plays all five teams in their division every year on a home-and-home basis, two rotating opponents from the opposite division in a two-year series on a home-and-home, and one lock from the opposite division on a home-and-home.

The Big XII operates the same way, with division opponents playing a round robin, which I'm in favor of. But their inter-divisional games are different and more simple. Each school plays three teams from the opposite division for two straight seasons on a home-and-home basis. Then for the second half of the four year cycle, each school plays the three other teams on a two-season home-and-home series. Everyone plays everyone fairly, and there are no four-year gaps between playing a conference opponent like there are in the SEC, just two-year gaps.

I think the SEC did that to preserve the Alabama/Tennessee game, a traditional rivalry. Crazy.

It also was to preserve and build rivalries like FLA vs LSU.

 

[Jimbo]

The way the SEC has it is you play everyone in your "division" and you also have at least 1 team you MUST play from the other division each year. Example. FLA always plays LSU, the same can be done for Mich vs OSU if they were in different divisions..

Money is a factor sure, the biggest factor is though the SEC believes finding its champion on the field, vs the polls. Along with a few other Conferences. Why the Big10 is not joining the ranks I have no idea. It would only help them. And give their fans one more big game to focus on.

Penn State if they win would be the only one loss team left in the Big Ten right? So it would make since being the Big10 Champion they get a BCS bowl game. OSU Is a 2 Loss Team, I dont know if they deserve a bowl over say, a 1 loss Alabama (or even a 2 loss FLA for that matter if their second loss was to Alabama) or over Texas, or possibley a 2 loss Oklahoma, and a 1 loss, USC. Dont forget Oregon State.. It will be very very hard for OSU to get a BCS bowl game, To many teams ahead of them more deserving.

Yes, Penn State is the last 1 loss team in the Big Ten
Best thing for the Buckeyes is for them to Win against M and have MSU beat Penn State which could happen, all teams are tied in the conference records. If MSU wins and the Bucks win, the Bucks would go to the Rose Bowl ( a BCS game) Bucks beat MSU.

I'm wondering, If Oklahoma gets beat by TT big, would Oklahoma drop below 10 ?
Utah and Boise State also , if they lose would drop past OSU.

I think Ohio State could play with any of the 6-9 teams ahead of them (BSC Poll) I would not expect them to play a top 5 team. Yes, UI think USC would be a good match up, with a healthy team it would be a good game.

IF things fell right, the Bucks could PLAY Oregon State, in the Rose or any other at large game, except I think they want the at large for Boise/Utah ..

Jimbo

 

[Jimbo]

I think your Conference Tie in with the BSC should be evaluated regularly.

For example, in the ACC, Miami and Maryland ... Miami is Barely ranked 23 and Maryland is NOT ranked.

Big East, Cincy is ranked 19th.

Why are these conferences allowed a Automatic bid when they are not ranked in say the Top 12-15.... I think if they are not in the top 15 at the very least, the BSC should be allowed to use the BSC game elsewhere.

Jimbo

 

[anders5189]

I think your Conference Tie in with the BSC should be evaluated regularly.

For example, in the ACC, Miami and Maryland ... Miami is Barely ranked 23 and Maryland is NOT ranked.

Big East, Cincy is ranked 19th.

Why are these conferences allowed a Automatic bid when they are not ranked in say the Top 12-15.... I think if they are not in the top 15 at the very least, the BSC should be allowed to use the BSC game elsewhere.

Jimbo

Maryland is 25 in the BCS Standings which is the only poll that counts, but I get your point.

The reason for the automatic bids is that is was the BCS conferences that created the BCS. Of course they are going to protect themselves. Now I hate the BCS personally, but there is no bigger defender of the BCS than the Big Ten commissioner and the president of Ohio St. Those are the guys that force the Rose Bowl to take unworthy Big Ten teams, like Illinois last year. You want to change the system, tell the big dogs at Ohio St to quit mucking things up.

 

[The Insider]

Gator Coach Mr. Myer has been a big supporter of a playoff system... We prefer to settle the game on the field, not in a computer and human votes.. Buts thats just how we do it down here

 

[Jimbo]

Maryland is 25 in the BCS Standings which is the only poll that counts, but I get your point.

The reason for the automatic bids is that is was the BCS conferences that created the BCS. Of course they are going to protect themselves. Now I hate the BCS personally, but there is no bigger defender of the BCS than the Big Ten commissioner and the president of Ohio St. Those are the guys that force the Rose Bowl to take unworthy Big Ten teams, like Illinois last year. You want to change the system, tell the big dogs at Ohio St to quit mucking things up.

Unfortunatly I have NO say in what they decide to do .....
There are many more than just the OSU guy's that don't want it, I think the majority of the conference Presidents are against it, It would'nt surprise me if the PAC 10 presidents were the same way.

 

[salsadancer7]

they have a possible chance of a BCS BOWL
THIS year ????
How is that possible.

I'm trying to figure out if the Buckeyes will make a BSC bowl game and it looks doubtful unless Mich State beats Penn State this weekend ......

And your saying an UNRANKED team is going to a BSC bowl game ahead of OSU ?

Please explain ....

IF I am not mistaken, the winner of the ACC Championship game goes to a BCS bowl...or am I off?

 

[salsadancer7]

Oh thats right, so they can be NON Ranked and still get in, doesn't seem right ....
Thought they had to be in the top 12, guess not.

Jimbo

All they have to do is WIN their conference championship. NO DIFFERENT than the NCAA basketball tournament I guess.

 

[salsadancer7]

I think your Conference Tie in with the BSC should be evaluated regularly.

For example, in the ACC, Miami and Maryland ... Miami is Barely ranked 23 and Maryland is NOT ranked.

Big East, Cincy is ranked 19th.

Why are these conferences allowed a Automatic bid when they are not ranked in say the Top 12-15.... I think if they are not in the top 15 at the very least, the BSC should be allowed to use the BSC game elsewhere.

Jimbo

By stating you want ONLY top 15, it could become MORE of a popularity conference and less about rewarding the teams that actuall WON their own conference.

 

[HD MM]

So, the SEC and Big 12 don't play everyone in thier conference every year either, so I don't know why everyone jumps on the Big 10 about not playing everyone.

Just go out and win your games, thats all that needs to happen weather your in a division or not.
If you want we can break the big 10 into two divisions and see if the outcome would be any different, your still going to have Ohio State , Penn State and Michigan State at the top regardless, as you would in the SEC or Big 12 ...
Really no need for the CCG's

Jimbo

With 11 teams in the Big 10, how would you divide the conference into 2? One with 6 and the other with 5? That would be uneven and unfair. Now if Notre Dame ever gets rid of their ego and joins a conference, the Big 10 would be a perfect fit IMO. Then we could do 2 divisions of 6 teams each.

Can you imagine a division with the likes of:

Ohio St.
Michigan
Penn St.
Notre Dame
Wisconsin
Purdue

Wow. Talk about a conference full of rich tradition!