NCAA 2013 Football Season

[Ronnie-]

Exactly. If you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be allowed to compete for the national title, mythical as it is.

A playoff would not necessarily keep this from happening, yet you just said it would. Although I guess it depends on how such participants are chosen.

Would you keep a one loss team that happened to not win it's conference out of said playoff say on favor of a 4 loss team that did win a much weaker conference?

I for one would not. Like it or not , the conferences are not equal, and I'm not touting sec superiority with this.

If a champ of a weaker conference gets a pass over a one loss of a much stronger conference, then I'm calling the Alabama president about that application to conference USA. You should call yalls about the sun belt. What would we gain by not doing that?



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[Jimbo]

Exactly. If you can't win your conference, you shouldn't be allowed to compete for the national title, mythical as it is.

Then you eliminate half the sec each year.

You happy with that ?

 

[The Insider]

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You are full of it, if you think I believe that deep down. I believe they should fall how I have them in my second list. I'm tired of the rules being different for Alabama and the sec schools. They get propped up in the rankings early to justify that they play all these ranked teams and then say "oh well we lost to a highly ranked team BS" Yeah Florida sure turned out to deserve that #10 week 1 ranking. Guess what we've played just as many ranked teams, a loss is a loss yet when its an sec school they rarely fall more than a couple of spots, yet any other conference will drop at least 5 to 6 spots. Hell we beat the 4th ranked team soundly and we only moved up 2 spots, while Alabama and the rest of the sec were playing their late season gifted school of the blind virgins teams and Florida couldn't even win that. It's this lack of parity in the way things are decided that piss off fans around the nation.

Do I think the Pokes should be ranked ahead of Bama HELL YES I do.
Who has bama played that was so tough? 4 ranked teams Ole Miss, A&M, LSU, Auburn, 3 of those teams have shown to be overrated with weak and inconsistent defenses. We have 4 ranked opponents also Ttech, Texas, Baylor and upcoming with OU, the same inconsistencies. Bama and OSU have 1 opponent in common, Miss St. Bama beat them 20-7 we beat them 21-3. So do I truly believe we should be ranked ahead of Bama especially if we beat a ranked OU this week while Bama sits idle. HELL YES

You got beat by W Virginia... W VIRGINIA they have won only 4 games all year....... Why on earth would you deserve to be ahead of an alabama team whos only loss was to #4 Aurburn? That makes absolutely no sense.

Has nothing to do with SEC biased or preseason rankings etc. Alabama earned its #1 spot all year, All year they were ahead of OKs, and everyone else... Now they finally lose a game at the last second to #4 in the country why on earth would they not still be #1 among the 1 loss teams. I will give you putting the undefeated FSU and OSU ahead of them, but no way they are below ANY one loss team except the team that beat them Auburn.. That is not SEC Biased that just makes sense.

 

[Ronnie-]

Then you eliminate half the sec each year.

You happy with that ?

Or the big ten. Big 12. PAC whatever.

If that's the case then many of those schools may have a decision to make if they get shafted in favor of the champ of a chump conference.

It's one thing I hate about the ncaa basketball tourney. You have a 16-16 (or worse) team in just on winning their conference and a 21-13 out of a much tougher league left out.

Tell me how that preserved the regular season any better than letting a stronger non conference champ in.

It doesn't and college basketball shows that nicely.

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[Jimbo]

You got beat by W Virginia... W VIRGINIA they have won only 4 games all year....... Why on earth would you deserve to be ahead of an alabama team whos only loss was to #4 Aurburn? That makes absolutely no sense.

Has nothing to do with SEC biased or preseason rankings etc. Alabama earned its #1 spot all year, All year they were ahead of OKs, and everyone else... Now they finally lose a game at the last second to #4 in the country why on earth would they not still be #1 among the 1 loss teams. I will give you putting the undefeated FSU and OSU ahead of them, but no way they are below ANY one loss team except the team that beat them Auburn.. That is not SEC Biased that just makes sense.

While I agree with what your saying, what if that team that just beat you had 2 losses ?
Are you still ahead of that team that just beat you ?

I guess if you lost to the 2 loss team, you would drop farther than the other 1 loss teams ?

 

[Jimbo]

Or the big ten. Big 12. PAC whatever.

If that's the case then many of those schools may have a decision to make if they get shafted in favor of the champ of a chump conference.

It's one thing I hate about the ncaa basketball tourney. You have a 16-16 (or worse) team in just on winning their conference and a 21-13 out of a much tougher league left out.

Tell me how that preserved the regular season any better than letting a stronger non conference champ in.

It doesn't and college basketball shows that nicely.

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My point was most years you all think you have the top 5 teams in the world, if only the winner is eligible, you'd have a lot of pissed off sec fans.

 

[Ronnie-]

While I agree with what your saying, what if that team that just beat you had 2 losses ?
Are you still ahead of that team that just beat you ?

I guess if you lost to the 2 loss team, you would drop farther than the other 1 loss teams ?

A two loss team likely would not be ranked fourth, thereby making the loss slightly worse. Gets shoved down the list based on the team they lost to.

That said, yes. You might and in some cases should be ranked higher than a two loss team that beat you. It's more than any one single thing.

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[Ronnie-]

My point was most years you all think you have the top 5 teams in the world, if only the winner is eligible, you'd have a lot of pissed off sec fans.

You would have alot of pissed off fans of any given conference if that were the criteria.

Yeah the sec has alot of top teams lately. It will change. Be it any conference, slots shouldn't be tied to just winning your conference when they aren't all equal.

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[Jimbo]

A two loss team likely would not be ranked fourth, thereby making the loss slightly worse. Gets shoved down the list based on the team they lost to.

That said, yes. You might and in some cases should be ranked higher than a two loss team that beat you. It's more than any one single thing.

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So, it's still, subjective to human polls and thier opinion, just like it is now.

See, with the Computers, it's all about numbers, they have no idea that the Bama / Auburn game came down to one play that wasn't executed on one side and was on the other, it's purely a number, win or loss.

I think the High School playoff format is probably the better route ... however that would favor the sec in the current situation, it still makes more sense.

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[The Insider]

While I agree with what your saying, what if that team that just beat you had 2 losses ?
Are you still ahead of that team that just beat you ?

I guess if you lost to the 2 loss team, you would drop farther than the other 1 loss teams ?

If Alabama would have lost to a team that only has 4 wins all season they certainly should drop below a few of the other one loss teams. But Alabama lost to a team that only lost 1 time all year and there loss was to LSU... We are comparing OKs Vs Bama here and I am sorry but losing to a team thats only loss was to LSU.. Vs a team that didnt even break .500 and as he said the wins of each school are equal (which I do not agree with but lets say they are) then we go only by who they lost to. And Alabamas loss was much better then OkS loss.

 

[Jimbo]

If Alabama would have lost to a team that only has 4 wins all season they certainly should drop below a few of the other one loss teams. But Alabama lost to a team that only lost 1 time all year and there loss was to LSU... We are comparing OKs Vs Bama here and I am sorry but losing to a team thats only loss was to LSU.. Vs a team that didnt even break .500 and as he said the wins of each school are equal (which I do not agree with but lets say they are) then we go only by who they lost to. And Alabamas loss was much better then OkS loss.

I personally wasn't talking about Ok St at all .... but I know what your saying.

 

[Derwin0]

Or the big ten. Big 12. PAC whatever.

If that's the case then many of those schools may have a decision to make if they get shafted in favor of the champ of a chump conference.

It's one thing I hate about the ncaa basketball tourney. You have a 16-16 (or worse) team in just on winning their conference and a 21-13 out of a much tougher league left out.

Tell me how that preserved the regular season any better than letting a stronger non conference champ in.

It doesn't and college basketball shows that nicely.

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Hope your not talking about Kentucky, as they lost in the first round of the NIT


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[Ronnie-]

Hope your not talking about Kentucky, as they lost in the first round of the NIT


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I wasn't. It was an example that could apply to any number of teams any year.

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[Jimbo]

Had Ohio State lost yesterday they would have dropped possibly outside of the Top Ten and could still have won thier Conference next week by beating MSU, ranked 10-11 at the time.

 

[mccoyrj]

I was referring to the system the way it is now. If you apply the conference champion requirement to the top 8 teams, you obviously don't have a 3 or 4 loss team that will get in. It will however prevent a one loss team that didn't win it's division getting in the NC over a one loss team that won its conference. That's only fair, no matter how hyped a team is.

An 8 team playoff in the future will obviously include teams from the top 8-10 somehow, and the conference champions from the stronger conferences will likely be included over the weaker ones, which is also fair.

 

[Ronnie-]

Wonder why the LSU fans would be for a one loss non conference champ being left out

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[The Insider]

Had Ohio State lost yesterday they would have dropped possibly outside of the Top Ten and could still have won thier Conference next week by beating MSU, ranked 10-11 at the time.

I dunno I could see them staying at 6 or 7. Easy. Even though a loss to Michigan would be bad (as Mich sucks this year) They still get some credit because of it being a rivalry game and we all know how that adds a lil extra to the mix.

 

[osu1991]

If Alabama would have lost to a team that only has 4 wins all season they certainly should drop below a few of the other one loss teams. But Alabama lost to a team that only lost 1 time all year and there loss was to LSU... We are comparing OKs Vs Bama here and I am sorry but losing to a team thats only loss was to LSU.. Vs a team that didnt even break .500 and as he said the wins of each school are equal (which I do not agree with but lets say they are) then we go only by who they lost to. And Alabamas loss was much better then OkS loss.

An overrated 3 loss lsu. It is still a biased popularity poll and you cant get that thru your thick head. You have your opinion and I have mine, its not gonna change. So good day

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[The Insider]

I wasn't. It was an example that could apply to any number of teams any year.

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Hey I am with them on that. I mean I had no problem with Alabama getting in, I also wouldnt of had any problem if OkS got in. Personally id of rather seen OkS just so the SEC could once again beat the "best" that was offered to us. Instead we just beat each other up again.

Of course I dont understand the argument saying Alabama didnt even win its division how would they go in.. Because the top 2 teams in the country just happened to be in the same division so only one of them can make it to the SEC title game.

 

[Ronnie-]

Yeah a loss yesterday would have put OSU around 6 or so. Being they were ranked 3 that's a 3 to 4 position drop. About what happened to Bama by losing to number 4.

No way they drop out of the top ten.

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