I just sent an e-mail to ceo for clarification on what was said tonight, since everyone there claims not to know anything until Charlie announces it.
Dish messing with Voom, All are now HD-Lite 1280x1080i: Discuss this issue HERE!
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I read somewhere the whole reason for acquiring Rainbow-1 from Voom was its ability to broacast over 100+ TRUE HD channels once the MPEG-4 rollout was complete. If this is true why not just tell everyone to deal with the limited content until we can get you more at the same quality. The only thing I see D* and E*doing is killing real HD to add local "sort of" HD, which seems like an utter waste of bandwidth to begin with as most subscribers can get local with an amplified OTA antennae. I can pickup stations near 120 miles away with my OTA. For those who can't they can provide the network feed instead of their local affiliate as the vast majority of HD content I've ever seen on my locals have been network programs not locally produced content. Most if not all major sports markets have or will have shortly the ability for OTA HD so competing with D* Sunday Ticket shouldn't be a reason and those that don't would see the number one game on the network. On top of this only a very limited number of subscribers will be able to actually subscribe to each of these HD stations.
By dropping the local HD dreams, or downrezzing those stations, they should be able to offer all the national stations they have now, the ones they don't have (Starz HD, Cinemax HD, The Movie Channel HD, ESPN 2 HD, Playboy HD, Universal HD), and and the ones coming very soon and not have to sc**w with the PQ or rates on the stations we all seem to love.
If the want to reduce the quality they should reduce the cost or let those of us in contracts out of them as I remeber signing up for a year of HD not "sort of" HD. Adelphia in my area is offering as much HD content (15 stations w/ locals) as I watch on E*and seeing it at my neighbors reminds me of what I used to have. I didn't pay $5000+ on a 60" TV to watch a ED quality picture. I will miss MonstersHD as it was the main reason I went to Dish after Voom's demise. But I will miss as it was not as it is.
If it's not fixed this week I will just dropped my entire HD package with Dish keep the bsic until my contract is up and sign up for Cable. I'll go back when they are again the leaders in HD not D* without NFL Sunday Ticket.
If Dolan were only able to get some investors behind him.
By dropping the local HD dreams, or downrezzing those stations, they should be able to offer all the national stations they have now, the ones they don't have (Starz HD, Cinemax HD, The Movie Channel HD, ESPN 2 HD, Playboy HD, Universal HD), and and the ones coming very soon and not have to sc**w with the PQ or rates on the stations we all seem to love.
If the want to reduce the quality they should reduce the cost or let those of us in contracts out of them as I remeber signing up for a year of HD not "sort of" HD. Adelphia in my area is offering as much HD content (15 stations w/ locals) as I watch on E*and seeing it at my neighbors reminds me of what I used to have. I didn't pay $5000+ on a 60" TV to watch a ED quality picture. I will miss MonstersHD as it was the main reason I went to Dish after Voom's demise. But I will miss as it was not as it is.
If it's not fixed this week I will just dropped my entire HD package with Dish keep the bsic until my contract is up and sign up for Cable. I'll go back when they are again the leaders in HD not D* without NFL Sunday Ticket.
If Dolan were only able to get some investors behind him.
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rdinkel said:
Huh?
When did Dish start allowing both CBS-HD East and West?
They always said either or in the past.
Just to update, nothing has changed on the Voom's
and on a separate note, I think it is safe to say that we won our case with Dish
they did something none of us expected or even thought of:
they had plans for:
21 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1280x1080i
now we will be getting:
15 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1920x1080i
sounds all hunky to me, instead of comprimising quality, instead of taking up more valuable space, they cut come of the Voom channels, Sweet!!
all these Voom will be mepg2, that is pretty much guranteed
Mpeg4 will be for HD locals, just like Directv
-Gary
and on a separate note, I think it is safe to say that we won our case with Dish
they did something none of us expected or even thought of:
they had plans for:
21 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1280x1080i
now we will be getting:
15 Voom's on 7/8 transponders at 1920x1080i
sounds all hunky to me, instead of comprimising quality, instead of taking up more valuable space, they cut come of the Voom channels, Sweet!!
all these Voom will be mepg2, that is pretty much guranteed
Mpeg4 will be for HD locals, just like Directv
-Gary
Gary Murrell said:
Do you know that for sure? While they're cutting back on Voom channels they're now adding a bunch of LIL HD channels.
I think it's probable that the locals were in the plan along with the 10 additional VOOM channels, and the bandwidth allottments were made with that in mind. And, my bet is that the HD locals will still be over-compressed, just as the SD locals are now.rad said:
The "rule" has always been a max of two distant network feeds of the same network. And the unwritten rule has been, if you qualify and buy the SD you get the HD for free. What Dish has done, and perhaps continues to do, is to limit looking at both 61.5 and 148 birds. There are footnotes on some of the receiver installs that they do not support receipt of those two birds at the same time. But now with the addition of Dish1000 and the use of 129 bird, it appears possible to receive both East and West feeds--once they turn them on on 129.HDTVFanAtic said:
I too get the feeling we'll see all 15 VOOM channels 1920x1080i MPEG-2. On a side issue I feel ESPN2HD will be MPEG-2 and HD LIL will MPEG-4 HD-Lite (1280x1080i) until EchoStar10 comes online. Just my opinion...
I agree I think Dish first wanted to add all 21 voom channels at HD lite but we raised hell and they decided to have only 15 and at full resolution which is great by me. I personally don't think voom has 21 channels worth seeing. I think condensing it down to 15 will allow for better programming on the channels instead of having 21 channels of hd lite of the same old thing day after day. Maybe condensing it down to 15 channels will allow them to consentrate on the programming which is seriously lacking in my opinion. I do think the HD locals will be HD lite until Echo10 comes onboard. I know FOX,ABC,and WB are 720p so they will be broadcast in 1280x720p which is true HD but I think CBS and NBC will be 1280x1080i.
FYI: With 430 replies (and counting), this is now the longest thread in our Dish Network forum!
The previous record was held by: Dish Expands High Definition Package (423 replies)
(Still, this is not long enough to compete with some of the threads in the VOOM area)
The previous record was held by: Dish Expands High Definition Package (423 replies)
(Still, this is not long enough to compete with some of the threads in the VOOM area
)While we have all been busy looking to the future of HD, it seems that Dish may have fixed it drop-out problems with current VOOM channels. At least I have not experienced any problems this morning as I channel surfed.
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There seems to be conflicting reports on various threads within this forum concerning the additional Voom channels. While all reports seem say that ALL Voom channels will be at 1920x1080 (great news!!), some posts say that the new channels will be MPEG4, while other say they'll be MPEG2.
Can anyone clear this up?
Can anyone clear this up?
Ron all Voom and ESPN 2 and most cerntainly national NY/LA locals will be mpeg2, Charlie had a slip of tongue, Scott confirmed this with his contacts at Dish, it is in one of the new sticky's he posted today
rdinkel, I am checking them right now and will report back
it can't be too long before we see changes though, it's only 3 weeks to CES
-Gary
rdinkel, I am checking them right now and will report back
it can't be too long before we see changes though, it's only 3 weeks to CES
-Gary
Lets hope my contact knows what hes talking about as he is a lot lower rank then Charlie.
(Still high up in the food chain)
Guess we will find out soon enough though.
(Still high up in the food chain)
Guess we will find out soon enough though.
OK, 15 Voom channels @ 1920x 1080! Cudos to Dish for listening to us and planning to provide us with full HD for the Voom channels -- even the Voom Network didn't do that (they were reduced to 1440 x 1080)!
I'm starting to feel a lot better about Dish, but they still need to get the current problem fixed -- it has gone on too long. I'm still unhappy about OLN and then the Voom problem -- things just looked like they were going downhill fast...
I'm starting to feel a lot better about Dish, but they still need to get the current problem fixed -- it has gone on too long. I'm still unhappy about OLN and then the Voom problem -- things just looked like they were going downhill fast...
