2011-12 NFL Season

[Mr Tony]

No doubt, injuries are a key factor and it showed today. Denver allowed 29 points scored against them without Von Miller..

yet his replacement got a pick six

 

[salsadancer7]

yet his replacement got a pick six

Yep...so that cancels THAT injury for this game.

 

[The Insider]

Yep...so that cancels THAT injury for this game.

Yes but how many sacks and plays would of been prevented by Miller? How many forced bad throws would miller of had? if you think the Vikings QB was being pressured and hit a lot without miller, imagine if he was in the game

The replacement didnt play horrible, but he certainly was not Von Miller.. How many 3rd down conversions with those screen passes did Minn get? Quite a bit. With Von in the game you just dont get those easy passes.

 

[Mr Tony]

and if AP played instead of Gerhart as running back how many more plays did the Vikes have to chew up the clock?

seriously we could play this game all night. Point being that "sir Teblow" wasnt the reason why Denver won (contrary to what some people think)

 

[Jimbo]

Don't look now, but the second AFC Wild Card is wide open. Not only are the Broncos and Raiders tied for first in the West, but there's now a four way tie for that last playoff spot.

Weeks ago it seemed very unlikely that more than one team would come out of the West (or South, for that matter)....now's it's very possible

It's still not coming from the West, it'll be the North.
Steelers and Ravens.

 

[The Insider]

and if AP played instead of Gerhart as running back how many more plays did the Vikes have to chew up the clock?

seriously we could play this game all night. Point being that "sir Teblow" wasnt the reason why Denver won (contrary to what some people think)

Right, despite his 2 passing Tds, and his rush for the two point conversion. Had nothing to do with him... 1-4 now 6-1.. But nothing to do with him...

I just dont get it.

 

[Mr Tony]

Jimbo now I know why you hate the Brownies

If I had to suffer through their games weekly like I did today (the only CBS game) I would have to hang myself

 

[BillD1984]

It's still not coming from the West, it'll be the North.
Steelers and Ravens.

Read my post again. I said SECOND Wild Card.

 

[Mr Tony]

Right, despite his 2 passing Tds, and his rush for the two point conversion. Had nothing to do with him...

and both of his passing TD's were already noted above with the Vikes CB's doing the "oh no biggie I got the safety to help me....oh s**t I dont". Any QB could have made those two throws for TD's....

but the pick 6 and the INT to the 20 or so at the end of the game to set up the GW FG were good reasons why

 

[Jimbo]

so the 10 GIFT WRAPPED points they got (due to 2 horribly thrown INT's by Ponder) had nothing to do with it huh?

Sure helped. Football is still a team game. But its amazing the effect one player can have.. Take the colts for example.. Super bowl contenders. Lose 1 guy and win 0 games.

As far as I'm concerned, the Vikings Ponder gift wrapped the game to Denver when he threw the INT in the last few minutes of the game in his own territory.

Any team should be able to win when they get the ball around the opponents 35 yard line when a FG will win it.

I really don't see how Tebow won it, looked more like Ponder lost it, had he not thrown the pick to give the ball to Tebow where he did they would have ran the clock out and went to OT.

 

[Jimbo]

Read my post again. I said SECOND Wild Card.

Opps, I misread.

 

[The Insider]

and both of his passing TD's were already noted above with the Vikes CB's doing the "oh no biggie I got the safety to help me....oh s**t I dont". Any QB could have made those two throws for TD's....

but the pick 6 and the INT to the 20 or so at the end of the game to set up the GW FG were good reasons why

that or it was the CBs thinking "oh Tebow cant throw let me go foward to protect him from running, oh crap look this guy is now open!"

Bottom line 1-4 now 6-1.. Before Tebow no one thought they would win the west and most thought they would be in last place in the west (they were before Tebow) After Tebow first place and in control.

Ya but Tebow had nothing to do with it.. its all "in spite" of Tebow...

 

[Mr Tony]

that or it was the CBs thinking "oh Tebow cant throw let me go foward to protect him from running, oh crap look this guy is now open!"

nope wasnt that. All 3 passes that were like that it was the exact same thing with the CB thinking the safety would help. Our front line could contain the run

 

[The Insider]

As far as I'm concerned, the Vikings Ponder gift wrapped the game to Denver when he threw the INT in the last few minutes of the game in his own territory.

Any team should be able to win when they get the ball around the opponents 35 yard line when a FG will win it.

I really don't see how Tebow won it, looked more like Ponder lost it, had he not thrown the pick to give the ball to Tebow where he did they would have ran the clock out and went to OT.

Even if the interception does not happen The Defense still has plenty of field to defend and force a punt or force over time. And Tebows record in OT is very good. (Undefeated in OT). And lets say they do force the punt Tebow had all 3 time outs and 1-2 mins would of been left on the clock. Hell they scored in less then 1 min there last TD.

 

[Mr Tony]

Even if the interception does not happen The Defense still has plenty of field to defend and force a punt or force over time.

there was only a minute or so left in the game

And lets say they do force the punt Tebow had all 3 time outs and 1-2 mins would of been left on the clock.

wouldn't have happened. Again there was only a minute + left on the clock in the 4th when the Vikes got the ball.

 

[Mr Tony]

seriously dude you can argue all you want but Ponder lost the game for the Vikes more than "sir Teblow" won it for Denver

 

[Jimbo]

Fin Lions can't breath without getting a penalty.

Not saying they didn't deserve some of them, but theres been an awful lot of ticky tack penalties, that were not called on the other team doing the same thing.

Recvr goes out for a pass, Lion is called for pushing off, Saint recvr gets a illegal hit.

Lions are very undiscipline AGAIN, but this is ridiculous ...

This is why I QUIT watching the Lions years ago.
Because all the calls went to the other teams when BOTH teams do the same thing.

 

[The Insider]

seriously dude you can argue all you want but Ponder lost the game for the Vikes more than "sir Teblow" won it for Denver

I will just let the records continue to speak for themselves. 1-4 now 6-1... What changed? Orton out Tebow in.

Under Tebow the broncos have won more games in the past seven then last season plus the first 5 games of this season combined...

Well see what next week brings.

How badly the bears beat "Themselves"....

 

[Mr Tony]

I will just let the records continue to speak for themselves. 1-4 now 6-1... What changed? Orton out Tebow in. .

they switched from a passing team to a running team...that changed too

 

[The Insider]

they switched from a passing team to a running team...that changed too

Right that was because they got the best Spread Option QB to ever play the game.... The fear of Tebows legs allow a lot more room for Willis and ball to run. It also opens up passing lanes.

You allow your offense to always have 1 free man because the other team has to consider the QB as a player in need of a eye.