They will still be in the AP. I do not think, but may be wrong, that they will be included int he coaches since it is factored into the BCS.
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They certainly deserve to be in the conversation, along with Bama and LSU. IMO, those three are interchangeable for the top spot at this point.
Kiffin lied about his vote, and the coaches poll called him out on it. Good riddance to him being a voter.
As for Ohio St. being ranked. The Coaches Poll has always had a rule about teams on probation being excluded, so they won't be in it. The AP Poll on the other hand, has never had that rule, and thus Ohio St. can be on it.
As for pre-season polls. The Harris Poll has it right, don't start voting until after week 5. At least then the pre-season hype (aka FSU) is done.
As for Ohio St. being ranked. The Coaches Poll has always had a rule about teams on probation being excluded, so they won't be in it. The AP Poll on the other hand, has never had that rule, and thus Ohio St. can be on it.
As for pre-season polls. The Harris Poll has it right, don't start voting until after week 5. At least then the pre-season hype (aka FSU) is done.
Auburn wasn't on probation that year. They went to the Sugar Bowl. They were just shut out of the BSC title game because USC & Ok were also undefeated (as well as Utah).
There was an earlier year (under Pat Dye I think) that an undefeated Auburn wasn't included in the Coaches Poll (then UPI) due to being on probation.
edit. Found it, it was the 1993 Auburn team that was undefeated, but could not get any coaches votes due to being on probation. They did finish as #4 on the AP poll though.
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I certainly understand the view against polls this early, but I for one enjoy the debate that they inevitably bring. Its part of college football, for the good and the bad.
yeah, Bowden, my bad. Just remembered it was back in the early 90's.
Several AP voters even came out and said they didn't put auburn at #1 due to the probation (even though Auburn was the only undefeated team). They said they didn't want to award a team on probation with the championship. Coaches had no such problem, due to the rule against voting for teams on probation.
Several AP voters even came out and said they didn't put auburn at #1 due to the probation (even though Auburn was the only undefeated team). They said they didn't want to award a team on probation with the championship. Coaches had no such problem, due to the rule against voting for teams on probation.
Arizona State and Stanford beat them. But look at who they played....
The only good win on USCs belt last year was Oregon (An Oregon team that LSU destroyed.)
Is USC good? No doubt, are they a top 5 team But they did not prove it yet on the field with quality wins.
USC got better every week as the season progressed and they didn't lose anything on offense. By the end of last season they were as good as anyone in the country and they beat Oregon in the Ducks stadium and that's not an easy place to play. I'm not a USC fan and can't stand Kiffin, but I see a team with a good enough defense and 2 receivers that I don't see anyone stopping. Barkley's no dummy and he didn't pass up a high draft position without feeling they can win it all. I think their biggest roadblock is Kiffin.
I don't know what game you were watching but LSU got a couple of big breaks on Oregon mistakes and other than that Oregon played them fairly even.
Offered for the fellow non-SEC-blowhards: 
Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think | ThePostGame
Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think | ThePostGame
Yeah, I read that yesterday.
I for one love the hate. If the SEC was not winning, the author would not have bothered to write it.
It is pretty laughable how he cherry picks his data.
I for one love the hate. If the SEC was not winning, the author would not have bothered to write it.
It is pretty laughable how he cherry picks his data.
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Well, he is saying that they have not been dominant since 2006 based on their record since 1998.
It is like saying Bama was not good in 2011 because they only won 4 games in 2003. It is a flawed, hand picked fact argument, and it makes little sense other than to show a sever case of anti SEC.
Offered for the fellow non-SEC-blowhards:
Why SEC Isn't As Great In Football As You Think | ThePostGame
Some of us have said the same things for years, especially regarding ESPN, and pointing out the same facts but have been constantly chastised for it. Those of us in the west are much more aware of the ESPN bias and all of us should be more than aware of the ESPN financial interests. I remember when the NCAA first sold their soul to them, long before the Web existed and I stated my reservations about them grabbing such a prominent role in college football on a Prodigy sports forum (this was back in the days when only AOL and Prodigy were online presences).
can someone copy/paste me this article please?
Evaluating September games with most BCS impact -- NCF - ESPN
Evaluating September games with most BCS impact -- NCF - ESPN
Enjoy!
The question seemed simple. It was not.On Monday, a group of ESPN college football writers was assembled to shoot the ESPN The Magazine College Football Preview special at ESPNU, and the producer gave us a heads up as to what one of the main questions would be.
What's the biggest September game outside of Michigan versus Alabama?
The truth is, there are a ton. Wolverines-Tide on Sept. 1 has the potential to still be creating BCS waves all the way into January, but it isn't the only one. Plus, there are others that are giant on strictly a regional scale, but giant nonetheless.
What are the top 10 September matchups in terms of BCS impact? We've listed them here, along with game projections from Brian Fremeau of Football Outsiders (based on his FEI formula), week-by-week.
WEEK 1
[h=3]Clemson Tigers vs. Auburn Tigers (Atlanta), Sept. 1[/h] Win odds for Clemson: 51.8 percentFor the record, this was my answer on the ESPNU show. Sort of. I actually combined this with the Tennessee-NC State matchup that takes place on the same field the night before, all part of an ACC versus SEC opening weekend doubleheader. But while the Vols and Pack will be playing for season-saving stakes (and perhaps head coach-saving stakes), the Tigers and Tigers will be fighting to see who could potentially start an early push as an outside national title contender.
Is Clemson truly past its Orange Bowl embarrassment? Is Auburn a legit spoiler in the SEC West? A win here would at the very least be a very nice addition to one's resume when applying for BCS bowl berth consideration three months later (especially in Clemson's case, given the relative weakness of the ACC). As Fremeau's projection shows, this should be a close one.
[h=3]Michigan Wolverines vs. Alabama Crimson Tide (Arlington, Tex.), Sept. 1[/h] Win odds for Alabama: 81.1 percentThis one's pretty simple. And pretty huge. The Tide is in everyone's preseason top three. The Wolverines are a little further down, but still in nearly everyone's top 10. Both may have bigger games down the road -- Bama versus the SEC West, and Michigan has road trips to South Bend, Lincoln and Columbus. But those games won't matter nearly as much if paired with a loss in this one.
It's plausible that Michigan could bounce back from a defeat to re-emerge in the BCS and national title hunts -- but it would be tougher for Bama, staring down a challenging SEC slate (road trips to Arkansas, LSU).
[h=3]Georgia Bulldogs at Missouri Tigers, Sept. 8[/h] Win odds for UGA: 61.8 percentThe Bulldogs are never going to bridge the gap between Athens and the SEC West until they can get through a September unscathed. The good news is that they don't play LSU, Alabama or Arkansas this season unless they see one of them in Atlanta in December. The bad news is that they once again have to deal with a tough team from Columbia early in the season. Only this time it's SEC newbie Mizzou instead of South Carolina, who has been moved to Oct. 6.
UGA's biggest question mark looks to be the secondary, especially after a slew of suspension-creating offseason incidents. Tigers QB James Franklin is the kind of guy who can make those MIAs hurt.
[h=3]USC Trojans at Stanford Cardinal, Sept. 15[/h] Win odds for Stanford: 50.8 percent
It's a Trojans tradition to stockpile talent, and they have managed to continue to do so even with NCAA-forced scholarship restrictions. Unfortunately it is also a Trojans tradition to lose a game among their first five that they shouldn't. See: Arizona State '11, Washington '09-'10, Oregon State '08, Stanford '07.
It's not even mid-August, and we're already saying that USC's biggest BCS task will be to beat Oregon on Nov. 3 and then again a few weeks later. But the stretch that begins here -- at Stanford, versus California, at Utah, at Washington -- can't be ignored. Neither can Fremeau's projection: He has Stanford as the slight favorite. As for the Cardinal, their concerns lie on defense, as a suspect pass D could be their undoing against Matt Barkley and the USC offense.
[h=3]Alabama Crimson Tide at Arkansas Razorbacks, Sept. 15[/h] Win odds for Alabama: 67.3 percentEven if Alabama loses to Michigan two weeks earlier, this will the first tone-setter for the bunkhouse stampede that is the SEC West. If Arkansas gets throttled at home, the Hogs' honeymoon with John L. Smith will be over before it even started. But if the Razorbacks beat the odds and pick up the win, it could be the first domino in a wild SEC West race.
[h=3]LSU Tigers at Auburn Tigers, Sept. 22[/h] Win odds for LSU: 69.2 percentSEC West cage match, round 2. Auburn's two new coordinators will have had three warm-ups in Clemson, Mississippi State and Louisiana-Monroe before hosting LSU and Arkansas back-to-back. LSU won't be quite so battled-hardened with home games against North Texas, Washington and Idaho. The first road trip is always interesting, especially when it's down to the Plains and particularly when your QB, Zach Mettenberger, has attempted all of 11 FBS passes entering the season and will still be getting used to holding the reins. Still, the numbers like LSU.
[h=3]Texas Longhorns at Oklahoma State Cowboys, Sept. 29[/h] Win odds for Oklahoma State: 66.5 percentThe Big 12 doesn't really get ripping until October, but this one will be a big tell as to who is most likely to have something for consensus preseason top-5 pick Oklahoma. The Longhorn QBs figure to have trouble with OSU's turnover creation factory of a secondary, while the Cowboys are replacing Brandon Weeden with true freshman Wes Lunt. If nothing else, this might be the only genuine defensive struggle played in the conference all season.
If OU is indeed the toast of the Big 12, it could very well be the winner of this one that winds up in BCS at-large consideration.
[h=3]Wisconsin Badgers at Nebraska Cornhuskers, Sept. 29[/h] Win odds for Wisconsin: 51.2 percentThere should be plenty of hand-offs in this one, with grinders Montee Ball and Rex Burkhead leading the way. If Wisconsin is going to make a run to the Big Ten title game (it's the preseason pick to win the Leaders Division), it can't stumble in Lincoln. If Husker Nation is finally going to earn the national respect it so openly craves, then it has to win this one. A victory would likely put Nebraska solidly into the top 10 for its trip to Columbus the following weekend.
[h=3]Florida State Seminoles at South Florida Bulls, Sept. 29[/h] Win odds for FSU: 59.4 percentSpeaking of national respect, the Seminoles keep receiving piles of preseason love -- they are seventh in both the coaches' poll and ESPN Power Rankings -- but yet always find some way to fumble it away. FSU's visit to South Florida has "trap game" written all over it, sandwiched among three ACC Atlantic Division games with Wake Forest, Clemson, and NC State, all of whom typically give the Noles fits.
Meanwhile, you can say what you want about the Big East, but if the Bulls win this game (as they did at Tallahassee in '09), then their Oct. 20 game at Louisville could be a matchup of top-15 teams with a BCS berth on the line.
[h=3]Boise State Broncos at Michigan State Spartans, Aug. 31[/h] Win odds for MSU: 62.9 percent[h=3]Notre Dame Fighting Irish at Michigan State, Sept. 15[/h] Win odds for ND: 51.1 percent[h=3]Ohio State Buckeyes at Michigan State, Sept. 29[/h] Win odds for OSU: 63.2 percentThese games are lumped together because they will all be played in the same place -- East Lansing -- and all represent a giant test for the overhauled teams making the trip. Boise State begins the post-Kellen era versus the Spartans. Notre Dame will be in crucial week three of crucial year three of the Brian Kelly era. Ohio State will be facing its first real test in its fifth week of Urban Ball.
If Sparty gets out of this month undefeated, it's going to be awfully hard not to move them way up from their preseason perch (hovering around 15th in most polls and magazines).
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