NCAA Football 2011-2012

[Derwin0]

Wonder who the 14th member will be if they get accepted.

Let the speculation begin. My guess is Missouri, resulting in Auburn moving to the East.

 

[Ronnie-]

Wonder who the 14th member will be if they get accepted.

Im hearing Missouri and WV are two that Slive has been given the go ahead to pursue. Which would mean one more if BOTH accept.

 

[Derwin0]

Im hearing Missouri and WV are two that Slive has been given the go ahead to pursue. Which would mean one more if BOTH accept.

I wonder if East Carolina would be the 4th? It would finally allow the SEC to get into the Carolina markets (I doubt any of the other North Carolina schools would ever leave the ACC).

But if Missouri is still pining for a Big Ten invite and says no, then West Virginia would be a good match for #14.

 

[Ronnie-]

If the dominoes truly start to fall I don't see them stopping until we get to 16.

 

[Derwin0]

If the dominoes truly start to fall I don't see them stopping until we get to 16.

What advantage does 16 offer over 14?

The only reason for adding A&M was to get access to the Texas markets and high school recruiting. A 14th is just to balance things out. What is the need for a 15th & 16th?

 

[Ronnie-]

What advantage does 16 offer over 14?

The only reason for adding A&M was to get access to the Texas markets and high school recruiting. A 14th is just to balance things out. What is the need for a 15th & 16th?

If they could get other markets, I think they go for it. Kind of a go big or go home mentality, and I think they other conferences either follow to 14 setting off another round of expansion, or the SEC doesnt stop in this one.

Interesting thought. Oklahoma has in the past few days hinted that it might leave the big 12 as well. WHAT IF the SEC added A&M, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. State probably will go where Oklahoma goes, and the SEC would jump at the chance to add Ok.
All of these would go to the west obviously, with Auburn and Bama heading to the east.

Oklahoma Sooners continue to ponder future in Big 12 Conference - ESPN

Oklahoma is debating whether staying in the Big 12 or pursuing a move to the Pac-12 makes sense for the long-term stability of the school's athletic interests, including weighing the idea of leaving the footprint of neighboring states that makes travel easier for the Sooners' passionate fan base.

A source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.com that the Sooners were perfectly happy in the Big 12, even after Nebraska left for the Big Ten, thanks to the conference's new 13-year television deal with Fox worth $90 million annually and three remaining years on an existing contract with ESPN/ABC that was paying out $65 million a year. The money was split among 10 teams instead of 12, thanks to the loss of the Cornhuskers and Colorado, which ended up in the Pac-12.

However, Texas A&M's announcement to leave the Big 12 next summer started the process of Oklahoma reconsidering its situation, the source said.

 

[Derwin0]

Interesting thought. Oklahoma has in the past few days hinted that it might leave the big 12 as well. WHAT IF the SEC added A&M, Missouri, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State. State probably will go where Oklahoma goes, and the SEC would jump at the chance to add Ok.

That would be truly awsome, but I think OK has it's heart set on the Pac.

 

[yaz96]

Shouldn't all this discussion be in your SEC thread? Why waste the time here, seeing as your conference is better than any other NCAA conference!!

 

[Derwin0]

Shouldn't all this discussion be in your SEC thread? Why waste the time here, seeing as your conference is better than any other NCAA conference!!

If all the SEC conversation was in the SEC thread, then we'd here nothing about the National Championship here.

Besides, expansion affects other conferences as well. Someone else is going to have to lose someone (as the Big 12 is doing).

 

[Ronnie-]

Texas A&M move to SEC held up by legal threat - College Football - Rivals.com

The Southeastern Conference announced Wednesday that it will make Texas A&M the 13th team in the league but said the move is on hold because a Big 12 school has threatened legal action if the Aggies leave.

The SEC said it received “unanimous written assurance” from the Big 12 on Sept. 2 that it was free to accept Texas A&M.

The presidents and chancellors then mate late Tuesday “with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. “

“We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action,” said Florida President Bernie Machen, chairman of the SEC leaders. “The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2.”

It was not immediately known which Big 12 school had raised the legal issues.

 

[mdonnelly]

Texas A&M move to SEC held up by legal threat - College Football - Rivals.com

Baylor is objecting. Probably feeling they will be left out in the cold if/when the Big-12 dissolves. It took threats from the Texas legislature to get them into the Big-12 when the Southwest Conference folded.

Texas A&M announcement, celebration of SEC move on hold | NewsOK.com

 

[Derwin0]

The presidents and chancellors then mate late Tuesday “with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC. “

okay... some strange things happening in those meetings...

 

[Will94]

Massive drama this morning. As you all know, the SEC voted last night to accept us having received our "release" from the Bovine 9 on Friday.

Baylor withdrew their consent yesterday and is now threatening to sue the SEC.
SEC votes unanimously to accept Aggies, provided no Baylor lawsuit | Aggies | a mySA.com blog

“We were notified (Tuesday) afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution has withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action,” said Bernie Machen, chairman of the SEC presidents and chancellors, in a statement Wednesday morning.

That institution is Baylor. As of late Tuesday night, A&M was preparing the Zone Club for an SEC press conference today, although the Zone Club had also been reserved for Thursday as a backup.

Now Ken Starr (yes, Baylor's president is *that* Ken Starr) has put up a "Don't Mess with Texas Football" website.
Baylor University || Baylor Nation || Don't Mess With Texas Football

Will Texans stand by and watch hundred-year-old rivalries be cast aside as the state's largest universities align themselves with other states across the country?

This is hilarious as Baylor was perfectly willing to kick SMU, Rice, TCU, and Houston to the curb when the Southwest Conference dissolved in 1994.

Baylor has had 15 years of Big 12 TV money to build a program, and here are the results.

Baylor's Big 12 record

1996 - 1-7
1997 - 1-7
1998 - 1-7
1999 - 0-8
2000 - 0-8
2001 - 0-8
2002 - 1-7
2003 - 1-7
2004 - 1-7
2005 - 2-6
2006 - 3-5
2007 - 0-8
2008 - 2-6
2009 - 1-7
2010 - 4-4

They are one upset parasite.

They should look at TCU, one of the schools that they kicked to the curb in 1994. TCU has had nowhere near the resources of Baylor and had built one hell of a program.

Poor Baylor

 

[Will94]

 

[Derwin0]

Baylor had no problem leaving TCU out in the cold... funny how things are on the other foot.

The SEC & A&M should just ignore them, after all the Big East lawsuit against the ACC went nowhere. As long as A&M follows the written withdrawl rules of the Big 12, Baylor has no recourse.

 

[Ronnie-]

I can understand what Baylor is thinking, but the term "pissing into the wind" comes to mind.

 

[osu1991]

There is an addendum to that letter. The Big 12 conference said they wouldn't pursue legal action, but the individual universities retain their legal rights to pursue action. Baylor is not the only one asking A&M to honor the commitment they made to the Big 12. SEC is asking all 9 Big 12 universities to release their legal rights to sue. That's not going to happen.

 

[Ronnie-]

A swap? Nah.
Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long: We've been approached recently about joining Big 12 - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long says the school was approached recently about joining the Big 12.

Long told The Associated Press the Razorbacks are content to remain in the Southeastern Conference.

That information comes in the wake of the SEC's announcement on Wednesday that it will accept Texas A&M as the league's 13th member, if the school can exit the Big 12 without any pending legal issues.

 

[Will94]

I've read on twitter that Baylor is pushing Iowa State and Kansas State to join in their fight. The Des Moines Register is reporting that Iowa State, the Bovine 9's other bottom feeder, is "retaining their right to sue."
Iowa State retains legal rights to block Texas A&M departure | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com

Meanwhile OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech march on towards the Pac 12. I guess they're the next to get threatened by the have nots.

Tom Osborne is looking like a freaking genius right now.

 

[osu1991]

Almost none of the Big 12 universities have agreed to give up their legal rights via the waiver that the SEC is seeking. Several have given verbal consideration that they don't intend to exercise their rights to pursue legal action, but they are not relinquishing them.

It will get worked out, but they don't have anything to threaten OU, OSU, texas or tech with. A&M got mouthy telling everyone the SEC wanted them, that is why they are in the position they are in now, legally speaking. The PAC 12 didn't do anything. OU is the one that has been shopping a deal around, which any member can do themselves. Well all know texas has blood on their hands for this, but really it comes down to A&M screwed up and now they are going to have to work some deal to get OU to commit to save the Big 12 (cause no one really cares if texas stays or goes now) or the SEC may consider A&M the plague for the time being.

Don't you just love lawyers. I am involved in one of these crappy tort interference cases right now, so I know it all comes down to how things are said and perceived.