NBA Lockout thread

I still say, personal feelings aside, I just don't see what leverage the players have here. As I said, they're lucky the NBA owners are not demanding 57/43 in the owners favor.


Sandra
I agree with you here Sandra.

If I was Stern I would go back to Billy Hunter with the 50/50 offer.

Tell Hunter it will be on the table for one week, then after the week passes the offer will drop one percentage point.

Same thing every week.

if season gets cancelled tell them the starting offer will then be in the 57/43 split in the owner's favor.
 

...Fans just want to cheer. They don’t care enough about the details, the numbers, the facts, to see how little the owners have actually given here and how dishonest they have been about trying. James Jones, a player rep more informed than most, was asked if he thought Stern was lying.

“Most definitely,” he said. “That’s the unfortunate part about it. None of that helps. The answer isn’t spin, isn’t being antagonistic, isn’t pointing fingers. It is coming back to the table and really working to get a deal done. A lot of the things he is doing are not helpful to the process.”

We, as fans, just want our games, our escape. Nobody goes to the amusement park to read contract language. So we feel like parents at a playground right now, surrounded by spoiled children. Come on now, kids. This is supposed to all be fun. Can’t we just play instead of fight? Emotion clouds. Greed infuriates. The coverage is droning and boring, unless Wade is yelling at Stern, and the truth is obscured because the commissioner is good at public relations. But the fan who can’t afford to take his son to an NBA game in a recession, already angry at the greedy millionaire who won’t just shut up and play, doesn’t understand why a man who gets to play a game for a living won’t just accept whatever the owners are offering.

The players are an easy target but not an accurate one. They already have agreed, in essence, to a league-wide pay cut that gives back hundreds of millions of dollars — and they have done it because the owners have run their business improperly, basically giving back hundreds of millions in concessions to help the owners police themselves. And it hasn’t been enough. It really is breathtaking in its stupidity and makes you wonder how these people got rich in the first place doing business this way. We build these wealthy men arenas. We invest in their product in more ways than one. And what do we get in return now? These successful businessmen have somehow figured out a way to take the paying customer’s sport and team and fun … but not the paying customer’s money.
 
WBT Radio was talking about the impact of the strike and how it's nothing like Football. Many called said they really didn't care. While I don't have that view, I think many won't miss is as much as the NBA thinks.
 
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Back to the bargaining table...that's a good sign. Hopefully they can figure out this 50/50 split thing so that we can have NBA basketball!

I still don't get the players' aversion to a hard cap if they're guaranteed a certain percentage of revenue...


Sandra
 
It's what comes with the hard cap agreement that the players are not too keen on. No mid level exception is part of the hard cap agreement from what I read. So, if you have no mid level exceptions allowed, that means that player could consider his career done if no one signs him...therefore, one less job for a player.

IF the owners allow the midlevel...the owners may get a softer stance on the hard cap from the players. Now, whether the 4 or more owners that I had mentioned before that wanted the season to be played agree on this hard cap, that is a whole other issue.
 
It's what comes with the hard cap agreement that the players are not too keen on. No mid level exception is part of the hard cap agreement from what I read. So, if you have no mid level exceptions allowed, that means that player could consider his career done if no one signs him...therefore, one less job for a player.

IF the owners allow the midlevel...the owners may get a softer stance on the hard cap from the players. Now, whether the 4 or more owners that I had mentioned before that wanted the season to be played agree on this hard cap, that is a whole other issue.

Huh? I have no idea what that means. There will be 12 players per team, for 30 teams, regardless whether there is a mid-level exception or not. How does a mid-level exception mean one less job? :confused:


Sandra
 
SandraC said:
Huh? I have no idea what that means. There will be 12 players per team, for 30 teams, regardless whether there is a mid-level exception or not. How does a mid-level exception mean one less job? :confused:

Sandra

Not that black and white Sandra. There are a few moves a team can make with roster spots, injured reserve and things of that nature.
 
Not that black and white Sandra. There are a few moves a team can make with roster spots, injured reserve and things of that nature.

The mid-level exception is about the salary. I'm not going to get into a P****** match about it. Let's leave it at that.


Sandra
 
I don't know...it seems like these meetings just lead to rhetoric coming out from BOTH sides, where BOTH sides just tell you some of the information, perhaps leave out a key point of the proposal from the other side that does not look favorably on their side, and BOTH sides accuse the other of not acting in good faith.

Doesn't even seem like they ever actually get to the point where they are discussing the current proposals as they stand right now...the key point they cannot agree on...players want 52.5/47.5 split in their favor, owners want 50/50 split.


Sandra
 
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I expect this to unfold just like the NFL once they're actually on track to resolving it... everyone just shuts up over a period of time and gets it done. Until then, there's some half hearted negotiations just to create leverage IMO.
 

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