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salsadancer7 said:
As far as I am concerned. NOPE. The owners PLANNED the lockout....Hell, Stern TOLD Billy Hunter they were gonna lock them out 2 years ago.
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Does not change that statement about NBA players.

If you think NBA players are more worried about the pockets of fans, and people who depend on the NBA to generate income, than they are their OWN pockets...well, good luck with that one. :rolleyes:


Sandra
 
SandraC said:
Does not change that statement about NBA players.

If you think NBA players are more worried about the pockets of fans, and people who depend on the NBA to generate income, than they are their OWN pockets...well, good luck with that one. :rolleyes:


Sandra
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Did NOT say that. I said the owners PLANNED the lockout. Which is fact. The simple fact that it was planned IN ADVANCE clearly shows they did not give a hoot about folks who depend on the NBA. Now, if the players had gone on strike... I would have said the same about them.
 
salsadancer7 said:
Did NOT say that. I said the owners PLANNED the lockout. Which is fact. The simple fact that it was planned IN ADVANCE clearly shows they did not give a hoot about folks who depend on the NBA. Now, if the players had gone on strike... I would have said the same about them.
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Whatever...not even arguing that right now. The point you made was this:

NBA owners are more worried about THEIR pockets than the pockets of the fans and those that depend on the NBA for generate income
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My point was that you can say the same thing about the players.

All the stuff about who planned the lockout is a different discussion.


Sandra
 
SandraC said:
Whatever...not even arguing that right now.

My point was that you can say the same thing about the players.

All the stuff about who planned the lockout is a different discussion.

Sandra
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The owners knew full well the harm that would happen if the lockout the players. They knew it would local economies and the folks that work in the NBA areas. By PLANNING that years in advance tells you full well they did not care about anyones pockets but their own. You cannot say the same for the players. They were gonna come to work as usual..the owners FORCED this...not the players. So no, you cannot say the same for the players.
 
salsadancer7 said:
The owners knew full well the harm that would happen if the lockout the players. They knew it would local economies and the folks that work in the NBA areas. By PLANNING that years in advance tells you full well they did not care about anyones pockets but their own. You cannot say the same for the players. They were gonna come to work as usual..the owners FORCED this...not the players. So no, you cannot say the same for the players.
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If you think the players care more about the pockets of the fans than they do their own pockets...you go right ahead. I'm just going to disagree and move on.


Sandra
 
According to Chris Paul on twitter, the owners will do no better than 51-49 in their favor and then owners said "take it or leave it"

...IF true, nice to the owners have "conceded some".... yeah...right.
 
heard on espn this morning from Chris Broussard it got real ugly yesterday and no further meetings have been scheduled. next on the list,further cancellations of games. owners apparently demanded a 50/50 split and if the players couldn't accept that then there was nothing else to talk about.
 
salsadancer7 said:
According to Chris Paul on twitter, the owners will do no better than 51-49 in their favor and then owners said "take it or leave it"

...IF true, nice to the owners have "conceded some".... yeah...right.
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Ahh, poor slave Chris Paul. His plantation owner only paid him 16+million dollars last year. Now he wants him to cut those slave wages by 7% down to a paltry 14.8+million. How in the hell can he feed his family on that.
 
Apparently, 50-50 that the owners proposed is not really 50-50.

In an NBA context, amortization becomes a point of discussion when used to track the purchase price of a team. For example, Darren Rovell's analysis of the New Jersey Nets' financials from the 2008-09 season showed that $33.3 million of the team's $147 in operating expense was "amortization of intangible assets." That line item actually refers to part of the price Bruce Ratner's group paid to buy the team.

Items like that one have become a major bone of contention in discussions between the league and the players' union. The union contends, correctly, that deducting the purchase price of a team inflates that team's yearly losses. That's significant, when the league is claiming that as many as 22 of 30 NBA teams are losing money.

On the other hand, tracking the owners' investment in the team as such is perfectly legit according to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, the set of standards used for financial accounting of public companies.

Examples: The New Jersey Nets reportedly lost $77.2 million in 2008-09, but $33.3 million was "amortization of intangible assets." The players union doesn't consider that a "real" expense like player and staff salaries, travel or marketing.
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http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-cba-glossary/g/amortization.htm

And this is why 50-50, is not really 50-50. LOL! The owners, like many businesses, use creative account principles, legal mind you...yet deceptive...to make losses sound worse than what they are, therefore asking more. That is one the main reason why in LAST CBA, the owners AGREED to the 57-43 split.

Damn...and I did not know that. Here I am clamoring for the a "fair and balanaced" 50-50 split, when in reality, a 50-50 split was never "fair and balanced" to begin with.
 
Hopefully the rhetoric in the negotiations is not as bad as the rhetoric in this thread. Jeez, talk about unbalanced reporting...you cannot even take these postings seriously anymore. :rolleyes:


Sandra
 
Anyway, away from the rhetoric and finger pointing, and back to real discussion...the talks did not seem to end well yesterday. I'm not sure why there is a need to cancel Christmas games in October, but then again, if they don't come to an agreement now, there is probably a good chance they will not come to an agreement until the real deadline comes in January.

I've been saying that all along...


Sandra
 
the one thing we can all agree on is that this whole thing is one big mess. i think i'll stay away from it for awhile since i don't expect things to change much anyway anytime soon
 
rey_1178 said:
the one thing we can all agree on is that this whole thing is one big mess. i think i'll stay away from it for awhile since i don't expect things to change much anyway anytime soon
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It's an ugly mess indeed. Until one specific side comes clean in EVERYTHING, no trust to negociate can be established and no true partnership can be conceived. From all I read, that was done in the NFL dispute. Nothing like that has come close in the NBA side.
 
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