NBA Lockout thread

[salsadancer7]

I don't even see him having the right to fine them for something not basketball related. It would be different if their activities were illegal. Last time I checked, everyone was free to exercise their own poor taste in music in their free time. Or should employers have the right to control employees' choices when they are not working?

The suits while on the bench is a silly rule, but it's during games and makes sense to allow the league such control. Dictating what players can do with their time and money seems unreasonable. Especially if nothing illegal is going on.

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Excellent point.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Interesting....ok. Sounds like you are stereotyping there... And no, Stern cannot tell them they cannot make that type of music. He can FINE them, but he cannot force them.

Depends on your interpretation of 'force':

NBA's Iverson to Change Offensive Rap Lyrics - ABC News

 

[salsadancer7]

LOL you're quoting Bob Raissman's opinion of Gumbel's comments. That's all that is. And, for the record, Raissman also said this:

So what do YOU think Gumbel's point was?

Sandra

Excactly what Bob Raissman is saying. Which is why Wilbon stated he did not agree with the way Gumbel presented his point...but did not necesarrily disagree with his message.

...it's the old ole saying of "its not what you say...but HOW you say it"...

 

[SandraC]

Excactly what Bob Raissman is saying. Which is why Wilbon stated he did not agree with the way Gumbel presented his point...but did not necesarrily disagree with his message.

...it's the old ole saying of "its not what you say...but HOW you say it"...

So your point is that Stern is condescending? That's it? OK...


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

Depends on your interpretation of 'force':

NBA's Iverson to Change Offensive Rap Lyrics - ABC News

Chalk it up to Stern for seeing that what he was doing in his song, did not help Iverson's image, but image of R&B/Rapp, the team he plays for and the league his team plays in.

I commend him for that.

He could suspend him, he could fine him...but he could not throw him out of the league for that. The lawsuit would be ulgy.

 

[salsadancer7]

So your point is that Stern is condescending? That's it? OK...


Sandra

Yep..amongst other things. But that is nothing new nor the topic of this discussion. I am glad the discussion of race comes it because it should be talked about. I don't know how certain people feel about race, especially in sports because it's the big taboo. People are afraid to talk about because they are afraid to be labeled something. Well heel, last I checked, if you don't talk about issues...how will there ever be a resolution?

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Chalk it up to Stern for seeing that what he was doing in his song, did not help Iverson's image, but image of R&B/Rapp, the team he plays for and the league his team plays in.

I commend him for that.

He could suspend him, he could fine him...but he could not throw him out of the league for that. The lawsuit would be ulgy.

Who said 'throw him out of the league'?? It wasn't me. Where did you get that from??

 

[SandraC]

Yep..amongst other things. But that is nothing new nor the topic of this discussion. I am glad the discussion of race comes it because it should be talked about. I don't know how certain people feel about race, especially in sports because it's the big taboo. People are afraid to talk about because they are afraid to be labeled something. Well heel, last I checked, if you don't talk about issues...how will there ever be a resolution?

I would wager many of the owners and players are also condescending at times. Sounds like a human being issue...not a racial issue.


Sandra

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Yep..amongst other things. But that is nothing new nor the topic of this discussion. I am glad the discussion of race comes it because it should be talked about. I don't know how certain people feel about race, especially in sports because it's the big taboo. People are afraid to talk about because they are afraid to be labeled something. Well heel, last I checked, if you don't talk about issues...how will there ever be a resolution?

Not when there is no documented proof that there is racism indeed going on. All we have are the accusations of a desperate TV host trying to strengthen his low ratings.

 

[salsadancer7]

Who said 'throw him out of the league'?? It wasn't me. Where did you get that from??

No one did. I used as an example of the possible type of discipline.

 

[salsadancer7]

I would wager many of the owners and players are also condescending at times. Sounds like a human being issue...not a racial issue.

Sandra

To me, more than anything is a power issue.

 

[SandraC]

To me, more than anything is a power issue.

Fair opinion...but not racial.


Sandra

 

[Rey]

Does anybody even know what point Gumbel was trying to make? I don't.


Sandra

To show off his extended vocabulary? its funny to hear about racism coming from the gumbels. its like listening to the late michael jackson give a lecture about racism. don't make me say it........ I will

 

[Rey]

To show off his extended vocabulary? its funny to hear about racism coming from the gumbels. its like listening to the late michael jackson give a lecture about racism. don't make me say it........ I will

or sammy sosa

 

[cosmo_kramer]

or sammy sosa

Which Sammy?? The black one, or the white one??

 

[Rey]

Which Sammy?? The black one, or the white one??

the white one of course. the black one i respected.

 

[salsadancer7]

Which Sammy?? The black one, or the white one??

it is NO longer Sammy...get it straight! Down here...he want's to be called SAMUEL! LOL!

 

[salsadancer7]

Fair opinion...but not racial.


Sandra

Never did. BUT....I do think there was some fair points to Wilbon's point that I posted earlier....

 

[SandraC]

Never did. BUT....I do think there was some fair points to Wilbon's point that I posted earlier....

LOL the circle is now completed. I am going to jump off this particular merry go round WITHOUT trying to get the last word.

Next.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

Too bad this won't work...

Mayors in 14 NBA cities have banded together to sign an open letter to "respectfully ask" that the NBA "consider the consequences to our cities should the lockout continue."

Get in line, Your Honorables. We tried that in July.

Snark aside, the Deseret News has pointed out that 14 mayors (including former NBA All-Star and current Sacramento boss Kevin Johnson) have gotten together under The United States Conference of Mayors' letterhead to draft an open letter to NBA Commissioner David Stern and NBA Players Association Executive Director Billy Hunter to ask them to consider the "many [who] own or at small business that depend on NBA games for survival."

The letter goes on:

"No matter how you look at it, our NBA teams are a vital part of the economic and social fabric of our cities.

"Unfortunately, lost in the debate over a new NBA collective bargaining agreement has been the perspective of those very residents and the negative impact a cancelled season might have on them, our cities, and our local economies.

We know the issues being discussed between NBA owners and players are complex and need to be addressed to ensure the long-term well-being of the league. We are not interested in taking a side."

Few are, save for the players, agents, and owners that will continue to go on making millions once this lockout resolves itself. Anyone who thinks the blame shifts too far in either direction, like so much basketball related income, is either nuts or has some vested interest that he's still paying off. Like, perhaps, Oklahoma City Mayor Mick Cornett.

With the Deseret News' Jody Genessy taking notes, Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker chimed in:
"(We) wanted to give them some encouragement," Becker said, "to try to get their differences addressed and allow the season to begin and bring the excitement and economic benefits that come to our cities. ...

"This is something that's really an important part of our communities," he added, "and we hope that they'll be thinking of the fans and those of us who participate with them."

That's clearly hasn't been and will not be the case, Mayor Becker. Otherwise the NBA wouldn't have pushed its bargaining hand by waiting for the first wave of games and paychecks to be missed, and several star players wouldn't have put on a negotiating killing show earlier this month.

The fans? When has this ever been about the fans?

Several NBA city mayors, including Kevin Johnson, sign a plea to end the lockout - Ball Don't Lie - NBA Blog - Yahoo! Sports

NBA owners are more worried about THEIR pockets than the pockets of the fans and those that depend on the NBA for generate income.