MLB 2011 Season

[cosmo_kramer]

Did you miss the other part of the rule you quoted ?

"The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand. "

The catcher was Clearly attempting to field the ball.

It explicitly says he may not block the plate without the ball. The part you bolded about giving the catcher the right to baseline when he is fielding the ball refers to a batted play (like a dribbler up the line). Throws are not included (just like at any other position).

He was not fielding a ball, he was attempting to catch a throw.

 

[Jimbo]

It explicitly says he may not block the plate without the ball. The part you bolded about giving the catcher the right to baseline when he is fielding the ball refers to a batted play (like a dribbler up the line). Throws are not included (just like at any other position).

He was not fielding a ball, he was attempting to catch a throw.

Isn't CATCHING a BALL the same as FIELDING it ?

 

[cosmo_kramer]

I don't know were the "Stiff Arm" came into play, the runner did NOT stiff arm the guy.

Holy crap. Go back and re-read back starting at post #554. You're the one who brought up the NFL/forearms/suspensions.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Isn't CATCHING a BALL the same as FIELDING it ?

Do you catch a ground ball, or do you field it??

Do you catch a throw, or do you field it??

 

[Jimbo]

Holy crap. Go back and re-read back starting at post #554. You're the one who brought up the NFL/forearms/suspensions.

Exactly, I said FOREARM, he clearly uses his forearm when hitting the catcher in the shoulder. (almost the head), it's a wonder he didn't suffer a concussion.

Do you know the difference between a Stiff Arm and a Forearm ?

 

[Jimbo]

Do you catch a ground ball, or do you field it??

Do you catch a throw, or do you field it??

Never mind, I'm done discussing this with you.
We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Exactly, I said FOREARM, he clearly uses his forearm when hitting the catcher in the shoulder. (almost the head), it's a wonder he didn't suffer a concussion.

You said 'almost'.

Did you watch the play, he ALMOST gave him a forearm to the head .... almost.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Never mind, I'm done discussing this with you.
We'll have to agree to disagree.

That's too bad, I was looking forward to your answers....

 

[AntAltMike]

...Carl Crawford is now hot!!

Crawford went 2 for 4, 2 for 4 and 2 for 4 on May 1, 2 and 3, hiking his pathetic batting average From .155 to 194, but then, over the next nineteen games from May 4 through May 24th he went 18 for 75, or .240, raising his puny average up to just .212. I'm glad to see him get these two, four hit games back to back, but I'll have to see his swing before I feel good about paying him $16 million a year, because the last time I watched him play, he had the swing of a .190 hitter.

 

[salsadancer7]

I'm a Giants fan and watched the play live last night. And while the contact was unnecessary (because Posey never cleanly caught the ball), the runner had no way of knowing that. Posey had his glove over and low to tag the runner out. Sliding around it and avoiding a tag would have been very difficult. I can't blame the runner for making contact in anticipation of that tag. And the contact was within the rules.

That said, it is unfortunate that Posey was hurt. I'm more optimistic though. The injury was initially reported as a broken ankle with high potential for ligament damage. Now it's being reported as a lower leg fracture. Still bad, but not nearly as severe. Fingers crossed!

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I agree totally. That is one of the plays a hate the most. When you are breaking up a double play, you are intentionally trying to take someone out...at home plate, your try to score and some times....it means a collision...unfortunately.

 

[salsadancer7]

Let me rephrase. I didn't mean the Marlins player did anything that he wasn't taught to do. I just hate the play of bashing the catcher. I don't like sliding head first into home plate either. It just seems proper sliding techniques aren't taught or practiced anymore. A hook slide and the player would of been safe easily.

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They are taught and used, more than you think. You can tell he saw no choice since the ball beat him to the plate, but to hope he can knock the ball out of his mit. Very unfortunate...

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Another sign of the Apocalypse??

So far this season there have been 31 rainouts in MLB. Here are the number of rainouts for each of the last few entire seasons...

2010 - 21
2009 - 37
2008 - 40
2007 - 39

 

[Hart5150]

They are taught and used, more than you think. You can tell he saw no choice since the ball beat him to the plate, but to hope he can knock the ball out of his mit. Very unfortunate...

I understand that, all I am saying is I personally don't like the play. I understand it is legal and encouraged. I just don't like it.

 

[HD MM]

Remember, the fielder is not blocking the bag, they are trying to avoid the runner while tagging him (which is why they stand behind the bag), and the runner is trying to avoid the fielder while tagging the base. With catching, the catcher is not trying to avoid the runner, he is trying to block him. When he blocks him it is up to the runner to knock him away.

IOW, it is because fielders don't block the bag like catchers do (probably because they are not wearing protective gear.)

Plus, it would not be advantageous to do so. If you mow down a 2nd baseman blocking second base (which he doesn't do anyway) you may not be able to stay on the base, and the fielder can then pick up the ball and tag you out. It is to the advantage of the runner to slide into the base without sliding off of it, while trying to avoid the fielder all together.

It doesn't matter if you slide past home plate or mow down the catcher because once you are tagged or you touch the plate, everything is over anyway.

ETA: They do make contact when trying to break up a double play. This is because they are already out so there is no point in trying to avoid the fielder or to worry about sliding off of the bag

You're describing two completely separate circumstances.

An infield hit double play ball is a force-out situation. The play at the plate was a tag-out situation.

 

[DodgerKing]

You're describing two completely separate circumstances.

An infield hit double play ball is a force-out situation. The play at the plate was a tag-out situation.

That was my exact point. I was addressing his question as to why it is OK in one situation and not in another, because they are two different scenerios

 

[Jimbo]

Hey guys, who were the last 3 pitchers to throw a no hitter and thier catchers.

This was asked on MLB Radio today and I think they got the answers wrong, but no one caught it.

How many no hitters have taken place since J. Verlander's this year ?
Alex Avilla caught it and would be one of the 3, but was not mentioned.

 

[BillD1984]

WOW, the Red Sox bats are raking once again tonight!

 

[salsadancer7]

I understand that, all I am saying is I personally don't like the play. I understand it is legal and encouraged. I just don't like it.

Oh I did not like it either...i have played catcher in the 28 and over league for the last 15 years and there is a strict sliding rule.

 

[Bodo Fenrirsson]

I'm old enough to remember the Pete Rose-Ray Fosse play in the 1970 All-Star game. Fosse was never the same since. That's what came to my mind when I heard about Buster Posey. God,talk about irony,I just found this article with,speak of the devil,Pete Rose Pete Rose backs Marlins' Scott Cousins for plowing into Giants catcher Buster Posey

 

[salsadancer7]

I'm old enough to remember the Pete Rose-Ray Fosse play in the 1970 All-Star game. Fosse was never the same since. That's what came to my mind when I heard about Buster Posey. God,talk about irony,I just found this article with,speak of the devil,Pete Rose Pete Rose backs Marlins' Scott Cousins for plowing into Giants catcher Buster Posey

And I respect Rose....but he is still an a$$....lol.