Yesterday, Jon Lester became baseball's first seven game winner this season. Strangely, it happened a full 30 days after Jered Weaver became baseball's first six game winner. Weaver is 0-4 in five starts since that hot start...
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In Lester's three previous starts, he gave up 14 earned runs in 17.1 innings, yet won two of those games and got no decision in the other. His won-lost record is remarkable considering his ups and downs this year.
The Buster Posey play in my opinion was dirty. He was not blocking the plate, it was open behind him.
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Hart5150 said:
I'm a Giants fan and watched the play live last night. And while the contact was unnecessary (because Posey never cleanly caught the ball), the runner had no way of knowing that. Posey had his glove over and low to tag the runner out. Sliding around it and avoiding a tag would have been very difficult. I can't blame the runner for making contact in anticipation of that tag. And the contact was within the rules.
That said, it is unfortunate that Posey was hurt. I'm more optimistic though. The injury was initially reported as a broken ankle with high potential for ligament damage. Now it's being reported as a lower leg fracture. Still bad, but not nearly as severe. Fingers crossed!
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Hart5150 said:
Let me rephrase. I didn't mean the Marlins player did anything that he wasn't taught to do. I just hate the play of bashing the catcher. I don't like sliding head first into home plate either. It just seems proper sliding techniques aren't taught or practiced anymore. A hook slide and the player would of been safe easily.
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BillD1984 said:
It's about time. Amazing they have 2nd best record in the AL after a 2-10 start.
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In Crawford's last 4 games, he is 10-16, 8 runs scored, 2 2B, 2 3B, 2 HR, and 6 RBIs. In the last 9 games he has raised his lowly average from .205 to .244
Looks like the 6th spot in the batting order agrees with him!!
Totally disagree. Perfectly legit and part of the game. The runner did exactly what he was supposed to do when the catcher is blocking the plate and the ball arrives well ahead of the runner. A slide and tag would have been a sure out, so the only way the runner can react to be save is to try to knock the catcher down or the ball out of his glove. By the time the play happens the runner has no time to notice the catcher did not catch the ball cleanly. If the same play were to happen again, the same result should happen.
Then the catcher should not block the plate and the runner would not have to bash him.
DodgerKing said:
Than why don't we just start bashing 2nd basemen, shortstops and 3rd basemen when there is a tag play. It's just another stupid baseball unwritten rule, that has ruined careers.
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Remember, the fielder is not blocking the bag, they are trying to avoid the runner while tagging him (which is why they stand behind the bag), and the runner is trying to avoid the fielder while tagging the base. With catching, the catcher is not trying to avoid the runner, he is trying to block him. When he blocks him it is up to the runner to knock him away.
IOW, it is because fielders don't block the bag like catchers do (probably because they are not wearing protective gear.)
Plus, it would not be advantageous to do so. If you mow down a 2nd baseman blocking second base (which he doesn't do anyway) you may not be able to stay on the base, and the fielder can then pick up the ball and tag you out. It is to the advantage of the runner to slide into the base without sliding off of it, while trying to avoid the fielder all together.
It doesn't matter if you slide past home plate or mow down the catcher because once you are tagged or you touch the plate, everything is over anyway.
ETA: They do make contact when trying to break up a double play. This is because they are already out so there is no point in trying to avoid the fielder or to worry about sliding off of the bag
I agree ....
However, if this were the NFL, the runner would have been fined heavily and possibly suspended.
He led with his forearm/shoulder which would be a penalty in the NFL.
Wait, are you saying a runner in the NFL can't lead with his shoulder or forearm??
Why is a stiff-arm legal??
MLB rule 7.06(b) states what's allowable pretty clearly:
If a catcher blocks the plate without the ball, he is in violation of this rule.
If a catcher blocks the plate without the ball, he is in violation of this rule.
Wait, are you saying a runner in the NFL can't lead with his shoulder or forearm??
Did you watch the play, he ALMOST gave him a forearm to the head .... almost.
And NO you cannot do that in the NFL ... leagally.
This is NOTHING like a Stiff Arm.
Almost, that's funny.
I don't want to take this OT any further, but you're so wrong about this I can't let it go. Go do a Youtube search of 'nfl stiff arms' to see what's allowable by runners in the NFL.
Did you miss the other part of the rule you quoted ?
"The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand. "
The catcher was Clearly attempting to field the ball.
I don't know were the "Stiff Arm" came into play, the runner did NOT stiff arm the guy.
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