BlackHitachi said:OK i can go along with that just pointing some things out. Also i was not trying to say white pitchers are inferior. I am saying when you limit your talent pool to say so few. While there is still alot of people in the world then thats not very fair. In my humble opinion Josh Gibson should be one of the names we mention in baseball!! I mean he has hit more HR then HANK!!
To hell with Joe (not Jack, he's dead) Buck and Tim McCarver. Remember Joe Buck is the same self-righteous a$$h*le who had a fit when Randy Moss pretended to moon the Green Bay fans, neglecting the fact that the fans have a tradition of actually mooning the losing team's bus after games. If you want to talk about something being illegitimate (not eligitimate), didn't Ruth play in the "Segregation Era" when blacks and latinos weren't allowed to play? Who knows what numbers some black or latino might have put up had they even been allowed to compete? Now that sounds pretty disgraceful to me! Didn't Ruth only play day games? Didn't Ruth only play against 7 teams a year, giving him much more familiarity with the pitchers? Didn't Ruth play in an era when there wasn't anything like the specialized relief pitching of today? Look at the list of highest batting averages for a season and observe how many of those averages were duth Ruth's era. So, how can you distinguish between what's legitimate and what's not. Put a player like Aaron or Mays in those times, and let's see what they would have done. If you want to talk about history, talk about the whole history. Sacred my a$$...Sean Mota said:
It's easy to say it - look at the inflated statistics of Babe Ruth's era. Each league only had eight teams, so Ruth faced fewer pitchers and faced them much more often. He only played day games. A person can't say, "With all things being equal..." because they weren't and aren't.Purogamer said:
Just another example of misstating history. The deadball era was from 1901-1919. Ruth actually played the overwhelming majority of his hitting career after 1919. In fact, his homerun total went from 29 to 54 in the first post deadball era year. What a coincidence, huh?ramy said:
brainiac said:
We're talking about hitting, seeing the ball. Your thought is still off the mark, though. If anyone is affected by the heat, everyone would be. Besides, common sense would indicate that pitchers would be more affected by heat and humidity than any other player other than maybe the catcher. I was born and raised in Florida, and played up through high school and American Legion ball. It is definitely not harder to play during the day. Even the Cubs can't use that excuse when they played exclusively during the day. They just had bad teams.ramy said:
Would any hitter that wouldn't have taken a bat to Gaylord Perry have been a pu$$y? He was a self-proclaimed cheater. Should people take a bat to Roger Clemens when he comes back? Hell, he's bigger than he was earlier in his career, is doing things that people his age don't normally do, and has shown a bit of 'roid rage at times (throwing a broken bat at Mike Piazza during the 2000 World Series). Hmmm, I wonder what he's on?vurbano said:
That's exactly my point. Bonds has never failed a test, and there has been nothing but circumstantial evidence about him. Yet people are so willing to convict him, and even hate him (which is totally irrational to me). What I'm saying is that that same circumstantial evidence could be pointed out when it comes to Clemens. It's all about opinions. Until there is indisputable evidence against Bonds, and not just rumors, hearsay, or innuendos, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.Purogamer said:
More from Wells..."Now everybody is [under suspicion], I would think. You see a little itty bitty guy hitting 30 home runs, like Dellucci, I guess. How many home runs did he hit last year? Twenty-nine? Has he ever done that in his career? The numbers have gone down tremendously since all this has come up. You know, I know Dave. I've never suspected him of doing 'em, so, you know, it's something that, who else, who else could be?...I've known David for a long time. I've been a teammate," Wells said. "The guy busts [it] in the gym, and he works out hard. "Sean Mota said:
What he actually admitted was that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by trainer Greg Anderson. But Bonds said Anderson told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis. We still don't know with certainty what those substances contained. I haven't seen any evidence where Greg Anderson said, "I gave steroids to Barry Bonds." So Bonds hasn't actually admitted to using steroids. By the way, the guy in your avatar is the one who should have been smashing the homerun record all along...ramy said:
