Barry Bonds found guilty...of obstruction of justice.

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Wrong. Here is what an honest Bonds would have done: fly out. Here is what Felon Bonds did, or better yet purported to do: hit a HR. Every action Bonds took in baseball was cheating. He really was not the equal of Ruth or Aaron. So he cheated. Rather than fly out, he bought drugs so he could hit the ball further. He cheated.

(and, unless you know of a drug that makes you smarter, your analogy to a student and a test makes no sense at all).

And, BTW, Bonds was involved in organized crime. Where do you think he got the drugs from?

I was quoting Sean Lahman from baseball.com . He said this on a local radio show years ago. I think Bonds is just as bad as Pete Rose. But again Rose did things that never came out . The book I mentioned earlier mentions it. I also believe Pete Rose used a corked bat at one time .

 

[Ramy]

I was quoting Sean Lahman from baseball.com . He said this on a local radio show years ago. I think Bonds is just as bad as Pete Rose. But again Rose did things that never came out . The book I mentioned earlier mentions it. I also believe Pete Rose used a corked bat at one time .

A corked bat? To hit singles? I don't think so.

 

[televisionarchives]

Check this out

.http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=83359&catid=29

A corked bat? To hit singles? I don't think so.

 

[DodgerKing]

Even though a corked bat may be considered cheating, it does not actually give the hitter and advantage. In fact, test have shown that in many scenarios it actually give the hitter a disadvantage

 

[televisionarchives]

Even though a corked bat may be considered cheating, it does not actually give the hitter and advantage. In fact, test have shown that in many scenarios it actually give the hitter a disadvantage

Incorrect. A corked bat gives you better bat speed.

Fugate, who calls himself “an extreme Rose fan,” said six to eight of Rose’s bats from 1985 have been found to be corked. Rose supporters have said that Rose, a singles hitter, wouldn’t need a corked bat.
Fugate believes otherwise. He said a corked bat is lighter, thus easier for Rose to swing in 1985 when he was 44.
He said Rose always “looked for an edge.”
Does Fugate believe Rose used a corked bat?? “No doubt,” he said Tuesday, June 22, while sitting in his memorabilia store.

 

[DodgerKing]

Incorrect. A corked bat gives you better bat speed.

Fugate, who calls himself “an extreme Rose fan,” said six to eight of Rose’s bats from 1985 have been found to be corked. Rose supporters have said that Rose, a singles hitter, wouldn’t need a corked bat.
Fugate believes otherwise. He said a corked bat is lighter, thus easier for Rose to swing in 1985 when he was 44.
He said Rose always “looked for an edge.”
Does Fugate believe Rose used a corked bat?? “No doubt,” he said Tuesday, June 22, while sitting in his memorabilia store.

Not true. They have done actual test. Force = mass x acceleration. The increase in acceleration is not as significant as the decrease in mass, thus the force generated by the bat actually decreases. Plus it weakens the bat and decreases the "sweet spot". When they compared the two graphs created by the different bats with distance the ball traveled to location of impact on the bat the bell shaped curve of the corked bat became tighter and slightly taller (smaller standard deviation and the distance was slightly further at the mean). The extra distance a cork bat gives you at the mean was only a few feet (which accounts for just a couple of extra HRs), but the distance away from the mean "sweet spot" was significantly less. Thus, more often than not the hits off of the cork bat would travel a shorter distance (even within one standard deviation)

 

[televisionarchives]

Not true. They have done actual test. Force = mass x acceleration. The increase in acceleration is not as significant as the decrease in mass, thus the force generated by the bat actually decreases. Plus it weakens the bat and decreases the "sweet spot". When they compared the two graphs created by the different bats with distance the ball traveled to location of impact on the bat the bell shaped curve of the corked bat became tighter and slightly taller (smaller standard deviation and the distance was slightly further at the mean). The extra distance a cork bat gives you at the mean was only a few feet (which accounts for just a couple of extra HRs), but the distance away from the mean "sweet spot" was significantly less. Thus, more often than not the hits off of the cork bat would travel a shorter distance (even within one standard deviation)

So why are players suspended for using them? Sosa got 8 games .

 

[DodgerKing]

So why are players suspended for using them? Sosa got 8 games .

Because it is against the rules of baseball to alter equipment outside of their regulations. Most of the rules in baseball are due to tradition and much of tradition is not based on sound science.

It is against the rules to have pinetar above the handle of the bat (ask Bret) and that does nothing to help performance

 

[televisionarchives]

Because it is against the rules of baseball to alter equipment outside of their regulations. Most of the rules in baseball are due to tradition and much of tradition is not based on sound science

Yale physicist Robert K. Adair said corking a bat helps slap hitters who specialize in singles.(Pete Rose)

 

[DodgerKing]

Yale physicist Robert K. Adair said corking a bat helps slap hitters who specialize in singles.(Pete Rose)

I have heard that same thing by many others as it speeds up the bat but decreases the force generated by the bat. I would draw the same conclusion as it does seem to fit the findings based on the physics. But, there is no evidence to actually say it does help, it is mostly hypothesized

 

[Paul Wozniak]

Don't have to defend Rose to state that any system where drug cheats like Bonds, a convicted felon whose felonies are DIRECTLY RELATED to his desire to CHEAT AT BASEBALL is not banned, and where Rose, who never cheated, is, is crazy. A team could hire Bonds tommorrow as a manager, coach, or even player. The Reds have to leave a blank space for Rose's 14. That simply is a rediculious situation. Selig, or hopefully his successor, needs to end the persecution of Rose and allow the last person to break a career record legitimatly to be honored for that before he dies. Or ban Bonds and everybody else mentioned in the Mitchell Reports by 10 AM today.

I don't think any of these people including Rose will ever see the HoF, except as visitors.

 

[televisionarchives]

The Gambling rule has been in effect for many years. Steroid use became illegal in baseball in 2002 I believe .

 

[SamCdbs]

Steroid use became illegal in baseball in 2002 I believe .

You would believe wrongly. The Wiley Act, also known as the Pure Food And Drug Act, the criminal statue that Bonds violated 10s of 1000s of time in his illegal drug conspiracy was passed in 1906 and signed by President Roosevelt. Teddy Rosevelt.

Never forget, in addition to cheating at sports, Bonds violated the same law that any other recreational drug user did, 1000s of times over.

 

[televisionarchives]

You would believe wrongly. The Wiley Act, also known as the Pure Food And Drug Act, the criminal statue that Bonds violated 10s of 1000s of time in his illegal drug conspiracy was passed in 1906 and signed by President Roosevelt. Teddy Rosevelt.

Believe me, I'm not defending Bonds. I believe everyone that tested positive for Steroids should be banned from not only the Hall of Fame but Baseball as well. But Pete Rose broke the rules as well . A different set of rules

 

[DodgerKing]

Difference is Rose broke the rules after his playing days so what he did as a player should not be affected

 

[televisionarchives]

Difference is Rose broke the rules after his playing days so what he did as a player should not be affected

Not true. He bet when he played . Also [FONT=arial,helvetica] Tommy Gioiosa and others said Rose started doing some illegal acts while a player to finance his gambling. In 1985 Gioiosa said Rose financed a cocaine deal. [/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]John Dowd - said in his report and on the witness stand in Cincinnati that he was betting on the Reds to win in 1985, when he was a player chasing Cobb, and in 1986, his last year as a player. Dowd's report closely details the bets after that, when he was a manager only, in '87 and '88. When Rose was asked about this in a Ohio News story he said he didn't remember when he started gambling. Yet, when the story broke he went out of his way to say he never bet as a player. So he lied. He also said he only bet on Football , basketball etc. But records showed him betting when both of those sports were out of season.
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[televisionarchives]

Difference is Rose broke the rules after his playing days so what he did as a player should not be affected

Another fact. This is from a man who was interviewed on Larry King live years ago
In the end, Pete Rose signed an agreement in which he agreed to his punishment. This is a very important fact.

"Peter Edward Rose acknowledges that the Commissioner has a factual basis to impose the penalty provided herein, and hereby accepts the penalty imposed on him by the Commissioner and agrees not to challenge that penalty in court or otherwise. He also agrees he will not institute any legal proceedings of any nature against the Commissioner of any of his representatives, either Major League or any Major League Club."
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Pete Rose not only agreed to his punishment, he agreed that then-Commissioner Bart Giamatti was right to impose it. He agreed not to sue to have this punishment overturned by a court.

While we don't know what was told to him behind closed doors, I believe someone might have told Rose( perhaps his lawyer) that MLB found out about all of the illegal things he was doing . Remember, Rose didn't show up for the hearing. And I also believe it was a way for Rose to end it before more damaging information got out about him.

 

[vurbano]

Betting on your own team to win. Oh the horror.

 

[televisionarchives]

Betting on your own team to win. Oh the horror.

It can be if Rose as Manager brings in a closer to help him win a bet. This is when you could question every thing he did. Rose said that he always bet on his team to win but did he bet on every game ? If he didn't then that's just as bad as betting against your team. In other words he wouldn't use his best closer knowing he hadn't bet on the game that day. If he was betting as a Manager knowing he had money on the game MLB could have asked him why he used his closer that night on a short rest etc. That's the problem with Gambling while playing or being a Manager.

Everyone should do themselves a favor and read the book By Michael Sokolove. It's backed up by facts. One that was backed up by many is that The same week he was breaking Cobbs recorded he was visited by a cocaine dealer who lent him money.

 

[SamCdbs]

Rose was told, and had every reason to expect that "lifetime" meant "one year". He was told that.

Remember Steinbrenner. Also banned for life, for actions that are much more clearly harmful to both the sport and to others.

Yet reinstated. The continued persecution of Rose comes down to him being born poor on the bad side of Cincy and Baseball's rich owners being done with him now.