2011-12 NFL Season

[HD MM]

show me facts.

Sorry brah, but PFT is historically inaccurate and littered with fallacies if that's where you get your info.

Let's go straight to the NFL on this one...

Listed as a penalty:

A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent

Any player who uses the top of his helmet unnecessarily.

NFL Rules Digest: Summary of Penalties

 

[SandraC]

actually you are wrong, helmet to helmet is legal on a ball carrier.

If you are not a QB or a defenseless player, helmet to helmet contact is not allowed unless it's INCIDENTAL. The reason being that a runner trying to advance may change pad levels quickly, resulting in helmet contact.

That is NOT the case in last night's hit...if you want to say that was incidental contact, you go right ahead. Most of the rest of the world not waving their black and gold pom poms sees it as Harrison launching the crown of his helmet into McCoy's facemask.

This guy has a history of this stuff. Suspend him before he kills someone.


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

Even more. From Goodell himself:

TO NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES:

One of our highest priorities is player safety. We all know that football is a tough game that includes hard contact. But that carries with it an obligation to do all that we can to protect all players from unnecessary injury caused by dangerous techniques from those who play outside the rules.

The video shown today shows what kind of hits are against the rules, but also makes clear that you can play a hard, physical game within the rules.

Violations of the playing rules that unreasonably put the safety of another player in jeopardy have no place in the game, and that is especially true in the case of hits to the head and neck. Accordingly, from this point forward, you should be clear on the following points:

1. Players are expected to play within the rules. Those who do not will face increased discipline, including suspensions, starting with the first offense.

2. Coaches are expected to teach playing within the rules. Failure to do so will subject both the coach and the employing club to discipline.

3. Game officials have been directed to emphasize protecting players from illegal and dangerous hits, and particularly from hits to the head and neck. In appropriate cases, they have the authority to eject players from a game.
ROGERGOODELL
Commissioner

 

[JamesJ]

you showed me a general summary, with the words unnecessarily....The nfl has said that a Helmet to Helmet hit is only Illeagal on a Defense less player...Mccoy in this situation was a runner and not in a defense less position...I really wish the NFl would publish their rules. I am still looking for it.

 

[JamesJ]

If you are not a QB or a defenseless player, helmet to helmet contact is not allowed unless it's INCIDENTAL. The reason being that a runner trying to advance may change pad levels quickly, resulting in helmet contact.

That is NOT the case in last night's hit...if you want to say that was incidental contact, you go right ahead. Most of the rest of the world not waving their black and gold pom poms sees it as Harrison launching the crown of his helmet into McCoy's facemask.

This guy has a history of this stuff. Suspend him before he kills someone.


Sandra

what was Mccoy then? he was a runner...he was RUNNING with the BALL outside of the pocket, he tucked it away and threw it at the last second.

 

[SandraC]

what was Mccoy then? he was a runner...he was RUNNING with the BALL outside of the pocket, he tucked it away and threw it at the last second.

And as I said the contact was clearly NOT incidental. A defender is NOT allowed to launch his helmet into another player's helmet. Any player. Period.


Sandra

 

[HD MM]

what was Mccoy then? he was a runner...he was RUNNING with the BALL outside of the pocket, he tucked it away and threw it at the last second.

It doesn't matter if he was a RB, Kicker or QB, whether he was in or out of the pocket. How can you not understand this???!!! Harrison did the same thing to Massaquoi last year. LAUNCHING YOURSELF AT A PLAYERS HEAD AND LEADING WITH YOUR HELMET IS ILLEGAL! PERIOD!!!!!

 

[yaz96]

Harrison easily could have lowered his helmet and just CREAMED McCoy with a good chest tackle. Easily. He chose to launch himself leading with his helmet INTO McCoy's head.

THAT is very dangerous and illegal.

End of story.

It doesn't matter if it's RB, QB, or WR carrying the ball. You cannot do that.

 

[JamesJ]

The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) a phrase that possibly creates a loophole for a helmet-to-helmet hit. If the quarterback is “attempting to advance the ball as a runner,” all protections for the passer apparently go away.

Harrison’s hit on McCoy could fall into gray area of rulebook | ProFootballTalk


Go ahead you guys were saying?

 

[JamesJ]

if you say all helmet to helmet hits are illegal you are WRONG...there are legal helmet to helmet hits.

 

[SandraC]

The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) a phrase that possibly creates a loophole for a helmet-to-helmet hit. If the quarterback is “attempting to advance the ball as a runner,” all protections for the passer apparently go away.

Nobody is saying McCoy should be protected because he was a passer, but you keep saying that anyway.


Sandra

 

[JamesJ]

Nobody is saying McCoy should be protected because he was a passer, but you keep saying that anyway.


Sandra

?? I have never said McCoy should be protected as a passer...he is labeled as runner advancing the ball...he is not a Defenseless player, and according to NFL rules it is a legal helmet to helmet.

 

[The Insider]

you showed me a general summary, with the words unnecessarily....The nfl has said that a Helmet to Helmet hit is only Illeagal on a Defense less player...Mccoy in this situation was a runner and not in a defense less position...I really wish the NFl would publish their rules. I am still looking for it.

umm the rules clearly state that its illegal on ANY player. Rather he running back, qb, wr there is to be 0 helment to helmet contact. The only exception is if the person with the ball himself has changed his position when the tackler came in and he is the one who caused the helmet hit and even then its up to the refs to decide.

 

[JamesJ]

Nobody is saying McCoy should be protected because he was a passer, but you keep saying that anyway.


Sandra

by the way I see you havent presented any facts to this yet just your opinion...do you have anything from the nfl on this?

 

[SandraC]

?? I have never said McCoy should be protected as a passer...he is labeled as runner advancing the ball...he is not a Defenseless player, and according to NFL rules it is a legal helmet to helmet.

That's just not correct


Sandra

 

[JamesJ]

umm the rules clearly state that its illegal on ANY player. Rather he running back, qb, wr there is to be 0 helment to helmet contact. The only exception is if the person with the ball himself has changed his position when the tackler came in and he is the one who caused the helmet hit and even then its up to the refs to decide.

can you show me where it states that?

 

[SandraC]

by the way I see you havent presented any facts to this yet just your opinion...do you have anything from the nfl on this?

I will...when the NFL suspends or fines Harrison. If the NFL turns around and says 'Great hit James'...then I'll say I was wrong.


Sandra

 

[The Insider]

The official rule book contains at Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(8) a phrase that possibly creates a loophole for a helmet-to-helmet hit. If the quarterback is “attempting to advance the ball as a runner,” all protections for the passer apparently go away.

Harrison’s hit on McCoy could fall into gray area of rulebook | ProFootballTalk


Go ahead you guys were saying?

Umm The article you posted says this

"Technically, Harrison’s understanding is wrong. When the quarterback leaves the pocket, he loses the protection against low hits, and the one-step rule for roughing the passer evaporates. But all other protections apply, including the prohibition against blows to the head."



And yes that is what everyone was saying.

 

[The Insider]

can you show me where it states that?

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8 (f) of the NFL Official Playing Rules, which states that it is unnecessary roughness if a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/“hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily.

 

[yaz96]

if you say all helmet to helmet hits are illegal you are WRONG...there are legal helmet to helmet hits.

NOT when you purposefully LAUNCH YOURSELF into ANY other players head/helmet LEADING WITH YOUR HELMET.