ShadowEKU said:
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to pickup air whistling between Charlies' ears)
Rumor Alert: SuperDish Coming Soon to Many
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Sorry not available for subscribers in the four corners area.(has been shown
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MikeD-C05 said:Well I think it would be easier to move all the lesser viewed channels in the top 36 markets that are on 61.5 or 148 , and move them to the 105 sat. Then all Dish has to do is put a scrawl on the effected channels that they need to upgrade to a superdish and to call 1-800 -333-DISH for a free upgrade. This of course will make it look like all locals are on ONE sat dish ; Superdish. Then for the people who don't care about having a large Superdish and don't care about these extra channels, they could stay with what they already have. Dish saves money because a lot of people don't want the big Superdish and they won't call to upgrade. This technically meets the FCC standard about all locals on one dish , and saves Dish money because they only have to move the few people who want one to the Superdish. They also only have to move the lesser viewed religious and mexican stations to 105 satellite.
This will not work, this probable 1 dish law is designed so that ALL E* subs of locals in what are now split markets will receive ALL locals in that market both minor and major ones weather we want them or not. This means that to satisfy this probable new 1-dish rule, it has to be accomplished in one of three possible ways, either All of a DMA's locals will be on a 110 and or a 119 satellite and received by a Dish500 or ALL of a DMA's locals will have to be on 61.5, 85,148 or 157 and received by a 2nd dish pointed to one of these satellite's or ALL of a DMA's locals will have to be on the 105 or 121 satellite's and received by a SuperDish. This means if you sub to locals in any DMA that requires a dish upgrade do to the new 1 dish rule weather it is to a SuperDish or a 2nd dish, ALL subs who want to keep their locals in the effected DMA's will have to upgrade not just a few, E* will not have a choice in the matter. This is why your suggestion will not satisfy this rule, even if it did it would be just a matter of time until the broadcasters would lobby Congress to close this loophole. This is why I doubt very many of the currently split DMA's will go to a SuperDish upgrade, it will be much cheaper for E* to shuffle channels around and move some DMA's major locals to 61.5, 148 or possibly even 157, since many subs in split markets already have a 2nd dish pointed to 61.5 or 148 and only some would need to upgrade. Any DMA's that needed a SuperDish would require all local subs who want their locals would have to upgrade and not just a few, this is the more expensive option and we all know Charlie will take the cheapest route if at all possible.
GaryPen said:
Your right, Dish Network is starting to remind me of John Kerry. They change their mind every couple of weeks and can not stick with a consistent plan.
Sorry, you left yourself open with that one.I hope Dish gets this correct. I will be making up my mind to stick with them or switch to Direct in May (i think that is when my 811 commitment is up) of next year. If it is to complicated or the HD is not there, I will be pulling a Kerry and switching sides.
My local distributor here in the Midwest is installing Super Dish now for all of the locals that we was just allowed to have.
...and we're out in the middle of know where.
...and we're out in the middle of know where.
Chris Freeland said:
That may be but I am saying the way Charlie thinks that this would be the way Dish would do it . This would be the way to thumb your nose at the FCC and still "technically" be in compliance with all the locals on ONE dish. As long as they are on one dish the FCC can't say anything. This would be the way Dish gets around the rule again. How many people would bother to call in order to get the Superdish , when you think about the second dish they offer now?
Of course this is all conjecture as we don't know and won't know what Dish is planning until they tell us and even then it could change at the last minute.
korsjs said:Your right, Dish Network is starting to remind me of John Kerry. They change their mind every couple of weeks and can not stick with a consistent plan.
I hope Dish gets this correct. I will be making up my mind to stick with them or switch to Direct in May (i think that is when my 811 commitment is up) of next year. If it is to complicated or the HD is not there, I will be pulling a Kerry and switching sides.
Kerry changes his mind as often as Bush changes his excuse for invading Iraq.
I say no Satellite left behind. Bring on the Superdish and more HD!
GaryPen said:
A. They have SOME kind of a plan. Whether we think it makes any sense is another story. They screwed up w/ AMC2, but AMC15 will fix that. It happens.
B. It is, but compared to where HD is going to go, it won't be. Right now, most subs just have at least the AT60 for SD. However, as HD is pushed in, they will surpass Internationals by a wide margin. And, having the Internationals on the 121 would get the mirroring off the 61.5 & 148.
Scott Greczkowski said:
The satellite at 121 is Echostar-9 that is owned by Dish so perhaps the PI requirement is only for DBS. AMC-15 will be launched on a Russian Proton which has a very succesfull track record. In addition, AMC-16 is scheduled to be launched on December 16 (on an Atlas 5) and could replace AMC-15 at 105 if it blows up. It is also being leased by Dish and is suppose to go to 85 W. Based on my experience with launch vehicles, I would be more worried about the Arianne 5 launch of the first Spaceway satellite. The launch vehicle processing is being rushed and I believe Ariannespace is planning on using an unproven upper stage.
If he tries, he'll be shot as a thief. I own my own gear - always have.carload said:
Of course, that won't happen - I'm my own E* installer.
Of course, I'd have to get the dispatcher to schedule it, but if he wants me to keep fixing computers for him, he will.
I wonder what some of the subscribers with the oldest legacy receivers that cannot work with a DishPro Adapter will think when they get told 'you have to PAY for a new receiver to get the free upgrade'? They will think 'hmm, this is not a free upgrade, time to contact the FCC' then Dish Network will have to replace the receivers for free as well unless Dish Network makes a legacy SuperDish for just those customers to save money. Then some may start buying up older receivers just so that they can get some new receivers out of the deal as well when it comes to the upgrade. It will cost Dish Network more than just a SuperDish and installation, in some cases it will cost them a new receiver or adapter as well. This is what Dish Network gets for making everything DishPro mandatory.
Two things:
1. Several asked about how a single dish could provide access to every single Dish channel. C-band did this with a servo that moved the dish. Couldn't a Dish 300 of a larger size with both a FSS and standard LNB on a servo also accomplish this? Some FTA receivers do this currently, so it's technically possible.
2. We have stickers here at work that we use to fix defective keyboards that were missing the "any" key from the manufacturer. We tell our end-users that sometimes the silk-screening process is missed for that key and provide the sticker and instructions for them. I'd provide you one, but my employer keeps close tabs on the inventory of those stickers.
1. Several asked about how a single dish could provide access to every single Dish channel. C-band did this with a servo that moved the dish. Couldn't a Dish 300 of a larger size with both a FSS and standard LNB on a servo also accomplish this? Some FTA receivers do this currently, so it's technically possible.
2. We have stickers here at work that we use to fix defective keyboards that were missing the "any" key from the manufacturer. We tell our end-users that sometimes the silk-screening process is missed for that key and provide the sticker and instructions for them. I'd provide you one, but my employer keeps close tabs on the inventory of those stickers.
DishSatUser said:
Technically possible but not a practical solution. You end up back with the BUD problem of not being able to watch 2 different shows on two sets if they originate from different satellites. The same problem surfaces if your have a 2 tuner receiver and want to record a program. Throw in the delay to change satellites along with the added expense and maintenance and it just isn't a viable solution. OK for the hobbyist, not for the masses.
NightRyder
Hmmm....Actually I was thinking of the sane hobbyist who wants to see each bird but just one at a time.
NightRyder
NightRyder
What about the phased array dishes? Aint they smaller which could help with the issue with size or would it not be possible to have a multiple slot dish using phased arrays? How about a dish in which the arrays rotate instead of the dish or perhaps have the rays being 2 degrees west to pick up another satellite?
What type of tradeup deals are out there now for folks in Superdish markets that have non compatible receivers-----7x00s for instance?
