Nice to know. I just did my upgrade, and my second dish at 61.5 along side my super dish is going to get installed this Sunday. I've been waiting for NBC HD since where I live we don't have a local NBC station.
NYC and LA HD Locals launched and available!
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I consider "true" HD to be a program that is broadcast in its original/native HD resolution. By downrezzing a 1920x1080i source to 1280x720p, you are stripping 33% of the horizontal resolution away and then altering the vertical resolution, in some way because it can be done in different ways. Someone with a 1080i set will see a loss in definition once their set has to reconvert the 1280x720p back to 1920x1080i. Information is lost in this process. Therefore I don't consider the end result to be true HD.
Sources recorded in 1920x1080i should be broadcast in 1920x1080i. Likewise sources recorded in 1280x720p should be broadcast in 1280x720p. You don't want your provider to be manipulating and converting the images. It is best to allow you to make your own decision upon what type of TV you have and let it, or other equipment you put into your system to convert/scale video, handle the conversions.
Sources recorded in 1920x1080i should be broadcast in 1920x1080i. Likewise sources recorded in 1280x720p should be broadcast in 1280x720p. You don't want your provider to be manipulating and converting the images. It is best to allow you to make your own decision upon what type of TV you have and let it, or other equipment you put into your system to convert/scale video, handle the conversions.
Don't worry, Hart... We in NY will not see ours any sooner as we wait for our 622s to show up (OK, a few 211 users will see them quicker).
Are you sure that those stations are sending a full 1920x1080i OTA signal. If the station has multiple channels (ie. 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 etc.) then the HD signal will not be a full 1920 x 1080i. Also, some of those stations - ABC for one is a 1280 x 720p station. CBS is 1920 x 1080i only if that station does not do additional channels (see above)
About three months ago HDNET broadcast a symposium on OTA HD in which it was stated that if you use part of your digital signal for other channels that you would have to cut the resolution on your HD channel. Someone needs to find out from the stations what their true resolution is so that you can do a fair comparison.
About three months ago HDNET broadcast a symposium on OTA HD in which it was stated that if you use part of your digital signal for other channels that you would have to cut the resolution on your HD channel. Someone needs to find out from the stations what their true resolution is so that you can do a fair comparison.
JohnH posted in the uplink thread that they changed the tiers on the HD locals, which means they might be local area only (not distants). I'll check it out when I get home.
HD on Distant Networks
This thread has particular interest for me since I have a motorhome and the RV exemption to receive distant networks. I now get CBSHD from LA on the 148 satellite. My questions are:
1. Are all the distant networks from LA including CBSHD available in HD from the 129 satellite now?
2. Are these being broadcast nationally or on a spot-beam? ( If on a spot-beam they will be useless to RVers)
3. I assume these channels will be in MPEG-4. If that is not true then please correct me.
Thanks,
Barbara
This thread has particular interest for me since I have a motorhome and the RV exemption to receive distant networks. I now get CBSHD from LA on the 148 satellite. My questions are:
1. Are all the distant networks from LA including CBSHD available in HD from the 129 satellite now?
2. Are these being broadcast nationally or on a spot-beam? ( If on a spot-beam they will be useless to RVers)
3. I assume these channels will be in MPEG-4. If that is not true then please correct me.
Thanks,
Barbara
digiblur said:
You cannot have a true 1920x1080i signal if it is compressed too much. Besides, you have to have the full 19.6 mbit in order to fully realize the 1920x1080i signal. Most stations that broadcast HD do not always send the full resolution. That is what I was trying to say. Only the station engineer can tell you if the HD signal is at full rez with no futher compression.
Huntress said:
Hi Barbara, welcome to Satelliteguys!
1. The LA HD local networks are on 129. However, it appears you must be a subscriber from the LA market to view these channels. Waivers or distant nets wont get you access (for now...)
2. They are on a national transponder so as long as you can see 129, you should be good to go.
3. The channels require a new ViP series receiver. They are not transmitted in mpeg4/AVC at this time, but that may change in the future. Regardless, you need the new receiver (211/411/622) to view them.
Sorry Bob, I dont. All we know is that they changed the authorization tier for the HD locals so it doesnt match the SD local tier. It seems only those who live inside the market will have access to the HD locals for now.
I do not know the reason behind the switch. Scott, would Marc be able to answer this?
I do not know the reason behind the switch. Scott, would Marc be able to answer this?
Dish Network Launches Local TV Stations in High Definition in New York City via Satellite; DISH Network Introduces Nation's Largest Package of HD Channels
ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 2, 2006--EchoStar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq
ISH) and its DISH Network(TM) satellite TV service announced today it will launch local high definition TV channels via its satellite TV service to customers in New York City and the surrounding counties. The following local TV channels will be available: ABC Ch. 7 (WABC), CBS Ch. 2 (WCBS), NBC Ch. 4 (WNBC) and FOX Ch. 5 (WNYW).
With the addition of HD locals in New York, customers can now watch Desperate Housewives on ABC, CSI on CBS, American Idol on Fox and the 2006 Winter Olympics on NBC, all in breath-taking high definition. Plus, DISH Network is offering its New York area customers Super Bowl XL in stunning HD on Sunday, Feb. 5.
Customers in New York who sign up for any of the new DishHD(TM) packages can take advantage of more than 1,700 hours of HD programming every week, including their local HD broadcasts. Cable companies, with a national average of just 10 HD channels, cannot come close to the robust lineup of DishHD. As an added bonus, new customers who sign up for DishHD through a local RadioShack retailer before Feb. 28, are eligible for next-day installation.
"The current migration toward high definition television is similar to the transition television viewers experienced when switching from black-and-white to color, and DISH Network is poised to be the HD provider of choice by delivering the most HD content available in New York City," said Michael Neuman, president of EchoStar. "DISH Network is providing 'Better TV for all' giving TV viewers in New York City their local news, weather and sports as well as prime time TV in spectacular high definition."
DISH Network offers local channels via satellite to New York area customers in 14 New York counties including: Bronx, Dutchess, Kings, Nassau, New York, Orange, Putnam, Queens, Richmond, Rockland, Suffolk, Sullivan, Ulster and Westchester. In addition, DISH Network will deliver HD locals in 13 New Jersey counties including: Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Hunterdon, Middlesex, Monmouth, Morris, Ocean, Passaic, Somerset, Sussex, Union and Warren, and to customers in Fairfield County, Conn., and Pike County, Pa.
With up to four different programming packages to choose from, DishHD customers can find an option that best fits their viewing needs. For as little as $49.99 a month, customers can access the entire DishHD lineup and get more than 70 all-digital standard definition channels and more than 23 high definition channels. Customers can add local channels in both high definition and standard definition for just $5 a month.
DISH Network is expanding its HD channel lineup in 2006 by adding five new original VOOM HD channels -- bringing the total VOOM channels to 15 -- as well as other new HD networks including ESPN2 HD and Universal HD. In addition, DISH Network will launch high definition local channels through its satellite service in up to 50 markets in 2006, starting with New York today and reaching more than 50 percent of U.S. TV households with local HD channels by year end.
To make this possible, DISH Network will begin transmitting newly added HD channels in MPEG4, a signal compression standard developed by MPEG (Moving Picture Experts Group). MPEG4 allows DISH Network to maximize the bandwidth available on its satellites and offer the most robust lineup of HD channels in the nation.
DISH Network also introduced a new series of satellite receivers that combine MPEG4 and MPEG2 signal capability. The cutting-edge ViP Series combines state-of-the-art imaging technology with life-like Dolby(R) Digital 5.1 surround sound for the best picture and sound quality available. Existing customers with MPEG2 equipment, such as the DISH Player DVR 942, will continue to receive all their current content and will need to upgrade to a ViP Series receiver to receive the new HD channels. DISH Network will offer a convenient upgrade package for existing customers who want to expand their HD lineup to include the new channels.
The ViP211(TM) HD satellite receiver, the first model in the ViP series that supports both MPEG4 and MPEG2, is available through DISH Network for only $49.99 for new lease customers.
Consumers can call 800-333-DISH (3474) or visit www.DISHNetwork.com for more information about DishHD and DISH Network.
For downloadable, print quality images of DISH Network equipment, installations or the DISH Network logo, visit www.dishnetwork.com/press.
About EchoStar
EchoStar Communications Corporation (NasdaqISH) serves more than 12 million satellite TV customers through its DISH Network(TM), the fastest growing U.S. provider of advanced digital television services in the last five years. DISH Network offers hundreds of video and audio channels, Interactive TV, HDTV, sports and international programming, together with professional installation and 24-hour customer service. Visit EchoStar's DISH Network at www.dishnetwork.com or call 800-333-DISH (3474).
MEDIA ALERT -- DISH Network will host a special press demonstration of the new DishHD channels, as well as the New York local HD channels on Thursday, Feb. 2, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Best Appliance and Electronics in Sunnyside, N.Y. (4303 Queens Blvd., Sunnyside, N.Y. 11104). For more information or directions, please call Mark Cicero at 720-514-5065.
CONTACT: EchoStar Communications Corporation
Mark Cicero, 720-514-5351 (Media Contact)
press@echostar.com
SOURCE: EchoStar Communications Corporation
ENGLEWOOD, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 2, 2006--EchoStar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq
ISH) and its DISH Network(TM) satellite TV service announced today it will launch local high definition TV channels via its satellite TV service to customers in New York City and the surrounding counties. The following local TV channels will be available: ABC Ch. 7 (WABC), CBS Ch. 2 (WCBS), NBC Ch. 4 (WNBC) and FOX Ch. 5 (WNYW).With the addition of HD locals in New York, customers can now watch Desperate Housewives on ABC, CSI on CBS, American Idol on Fox and the 2006 Winter Olympics on NBC, all in breath-taking high definition. Plus, DISH Network is offering its New York area customers Super Bowl XL in stunning HD on Sunday, Feb. 5.
Customers in New York who sign up for any of the new DishHD(TM) packages can take advantage of more than 1,700 hours of HD programming every week, including their local HD broadcasts. Cable companies, with a national average of just 10 HD channels, cannot come close to the robust lineup of DishHD. As an added bonus, new customers who sign up for DishHD through a local RadioShack retailer before Feb. 28, are eligible for next-day installation.
"The current migration toward high definition television is similar to the transition television viewers experienced when switching from black-and-white to color, and DISH Network is poised to be the HD provider of choice by delivering the most HD content available in New York City," said Michael Neuman, president of EchoStar. "DISH Network is providing 'Better TV for all' giving TV viewers in New York City their local news, weather and sports as well as prime time TV in spectacular high definition."
DISH Network offers local channels via satellite to New York area customers in 14 New York counties including: Bronx, Dutchess, Kings, Nassau, New York, Orange, Putnam, Queens, Richmond, Rockland, Suffolk, Sullivan, Ulster and Westchester. In addition, DISH Network will deliver HD locals in 13 New Jersey counties including: Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Hunterdon, Middlesex, Monmouth, Morris, Ocean, Passaic, Somerset, Sussex, Union and Warren, and to customers in Fairfield County, Conn., and Pike County, Pa.
With up to four different programming packages to choose from, DishHD customers can find an option that best fits their viewing needs. For as little as $49.99 a month, customers can access the entire DishHD lineup and get more than 70 all-digital standard definition channels and more than 23 high definition channels. Customers can add local channels in both high definition and standard definition for just $5 a month.
DISH Network is expanding its HD channel lineup in 2006 by adding five new original VOOM HD channels -- bringing the total VOOM channels to 15 -- as well as other new HD networks including ESPN2 HD and Universal HD. In addition, DISH Network will launch high definition local channels through its satellite service in up to 50 markets in 2006, starting with New York today and reaching more than 50 percent of U.S. TV households with local HD channels by year end.
To make this possible, DISH Network will begin transmitting newly added HD channels in MPEG4, a signal compression standard developed by MPEG (Moving Picture Experts Group). MPEG4 allows DISH Network to maximize the bandwidth available on its satellites and offer the most robust lineup of HD channels in the nation.
DISH Network also introduced a new series of satellite receivers that combine MPEG4 and MPEG2 signal capability. The cutting-edge ViP Series combines state-of-the-art imaging technology with life-like Dolby(R) Digital 5.1 surround sound for the best picture and sound quality available. Existing customers with MPEG2 equipment, such as the DISH Player DVR 942, will continue to receive all their current content and will need to upgrade to a ViP Series receiver to receive the new HD channels. DISH Network will offer a convenient upgrade package for existing customers who want to expand their HD lineup to include the new channels.
The ViP211(TM) HD satellite receiver, the first model in the ViP series that supports both MPEG4 and MPEG2, is available through DISH Network for only $49.99 for new lease customers.
Consumers can call 800-333-DISH (3474) or visit www.DISHNetwork.com for more information about DishHD and DISH Network.
For downloadable, print quality images of DISH Network equipment, installations or the DISH Network logo, visit www.dishnetwork.com/press.
About EchoStar
EchoStar Communications Corporation (Nasdaq
ISH) serves more than 12 million satellite TV customers through its DISH Network(TM), the fastest growing U.S. provider of advanced digital television services in the last five years. DISH Network offers hundreds of video and audio channels, Interactive TV, HDTV, sports and international programming, together with professional installation and 24-hour customer service. Visit EchoStar's DISH Network at www.dishnetwork.com or call 800-333-DISH (3474).MEDIA ALERT -- DISH Network will host a special press demonstration of the new DishHD channels, as well as the New York local HD channels on Thursday, Feb. 2, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Best Appliance and Electronics in Sunnyside, N.Y. (4303 Queens Blvd., Sunnyside, N.Y. 11104). For more information or directions, please call Mark Cicero at 720-514-5065.
CONTACT: EchoStar Communications Corporation
Mark Cicero, 720-514-5351 (Media Contact)
press@echostar.com
SOURCE: EchoStar Communications Corporation
I had CBS HD out of NYC on 61.5 through my 811 before all of the changes. I had this channel via a waiver.
I do not plan on upgrading at this time to the 211. Can anyone tell me if I will still be able to get this channel.
I did not check to see if I was getting it last night.
Just want to see if anyone knows the answer before I go home tonight.
thanks
I do not plan on upgrading at this time to the 211. Can anyone tell me if I will still be able to get this channel.
I did not check to see if I was getting it last night.
Just want to see if anyone knows the answer before I go home tonight.
thanks
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