NFL 2009-10 Season

[mdonnelly]

Yeah. I realize we're 0-3, but this move reeks of desperation. He must feel the burn of the hot seat. Especially considering the allotment of stud coaches for the picking next year. Not that any would agree to come to coach the Browns, but that's a discussion for another day.

Marty might want to come back.

 

[Skyhi]

Marty might want to come back.

At this point, I'd welcome him with open arms.

 

[Skyhi]

They love Randy Lerner so much in England that somebody wrote a song about him:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeJpQlGW_GA]YouTube - Salute to Randy Lerner[/ame]

 

[SandraC]

Counter point:

In Troy Aikman's first year he finished with an 0-11 record as a starter, completing 155 of 293 passes for 1,749 yards (159 ypg), 9 TDs, 18 INTs. We all know how that "experiment" turned out.

If there are 1,000 QB's who have ever played in the NFL, there are 1,000 different examples you can use to prove any point you want. If I wanted to prove a QB needs to run a marathon before he's ready to play QB, I'm sure I can come up with an example.

My point was that up until last year, conventional wisdom was that a QB needed to sit and watch and learn for a couple of years before he was ready. If he was put in during those first couple of years, it was expected he would fail...and many great ones did at first.

But Flacco and Ryan have gone against conventional wisdom and changed that perception, at least for the time being.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

The problem is, Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan have changed conventional thinking regarding how long the learning curve should be, and there is a chance Mark Sanchez will do the same.


Sandra

Good point.

 

[salsadancer7]

If there are 1,000 QB's who have ever played in the NFL, there are 1,000 different examples you can use to prove any point you want. If I wanted to prove a QB needs to run a marathon before he's ready to play QB, I'm sure I can come up with an example.

My point was that up until last year, conventional wisdom was that a QB needed to sit and watch and learn for a couple of years before he was ready. If he was put in during those first couple of years, it was expected he would fail...and many great ones did at first.

But Flacco and Ryan have gone against conventional wisdom and changed that perception, at least for the time being.


Sandra

And to add to that....because these two example are so recent and fresh in everyone's mind....and now Sanchez... EVERYONE will want the same thing

 

[Ramy]

If there are 1,000 QB's who have ever played in the NFL, there are 1,000 different examples you can use to prove any point you want. If I wanted to prove a QB needs to run a marathon before he's ready to play QB, I'm sure I can come up with an example.

My point was that up until last year, conventional wisdom was that a QB needed to sit and watch and learn for a couple of years before he was ready. If he was put in during those first couple of years, it was expected he would fail...and many great ones did at first.

But Flacco and Ryan have gone against conventional wisdom and changed that perception, at least for the time being.


Sandra

Carson Palmer sat his first year and I think it helped him.

 

[mdonnelly]

Carson Palmer sat his first year and I think it helped him.

Carson Palmer was a slow starter at USC too.

 

[meStevo]

And to add to that....because these two example are so recent and fresh in everyone's mind....and now Sanchez... EVERYONE will want the same thing

see also: younger inexperienced head coaches

Everyone wants a Tomlin.

 

[dfergie]

Got a kick out of the piece on T.O. on Inside the NFL last night...

 

[meStevo]

Eagles | Jackson named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month
The NFL has announced Philadelphia Eagles WR DeSean Jackson has been named the NFC Special Teams Player of the Month for September.

Packers | Woodson named NFC Defensive Player of the Month
The NFL has announced Green Bay Packers CB Charles Woodson has been named the NFC Defensive Player of the Month for September.

Saints | Brees named NFC Offensive Player of the Month
The NFL has announced New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees has been named the NFC Offensive Player of the Month for September.

Broncos | Prater named AFC Special Teams Player of the Month
The NFL has announced Denver Broncos PK Matt Prater has been named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Month for September.

Colts | Manning named AFC Offensive Player of the Month
The Indianapolis Colts have announced QB Peyton Manning has been named the AFC Offensive player of the Month for September. Manning threw went 66-for-96 for 983 yards, seven touchdowns and two interceptions in the month.

 

[salsadancer7]

see also: younger inexperienced head coaches

Everyone wants a Tomlin.

But let's be honest here....Tomlin had a nice situation fall on his lap! He did not start with a crappy team.

 

[Paul Wozniak]

Eagles | Jackson named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month
The NFL has announced Philadelphia Eagles WR DeSean Jackson has been named the NFC Special Teams Player of the Month for September.

Packers | Woodson named NFC Defensive Player of the Month
The NFL has announced Green Bay Packers CB Charles Woodson has been named the NFC Defensive Player of the Month for September.

Saints | Brees named NFC Offensive Player of the Month
The NFL has announced New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees has been named the NFC Offensive Player of the Month for September.

Broncos | Prater named AFC Special Teams Player of the Month
The NFL has announced Denver Broncos PK Matt Prater has been named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Month for September.

Colts | Manning named AFC Offensive Player of the Month
The Indianapolis Colts have announced QB Peyton Manning has been named the AFC Offensive player of the Month for September. Manning threw went 66-for-96 for 983 yards, seven touchdowns and two interceptions in the month.

What? No Lions? All they did was win their first game in a season and a half!

 

[meStevo]

Lions Safety Delmas is the defensive rookie, and Harvin the offensive rookie of the month.

 

[meStevo]

Bills put Leodis McKelvin on IR with a broken leg.

His roster spot is being taken by Lynch, now active after his suspension.

 

[Paul Wozniak]

Lions Safety Delmas is the defensive rookie, and Harvin the offensive rookie of the month.

Some love for my Lion's?

 

[SabresRule]

Right now, I think the Lions could beat the Rams by three touchdowns.

 

[Jimbo]

The problem is, Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan have changed conventional thinking regarding how long the learning curve should be, and there is a chance Mark Sanchez will do the same.


Sandra

This is true, but EACH of the ones you mentioned had a stable enviroment to fall back on.
Flacco in particular had a top notch D to bail him out, a very nice cushion.

I think Ryan has done more that Flacco, not taking anything away from Flacco, but Ryan didn't have a D that he could fall back on, but he had a very good running game to help him.
Sanchez has a very good O line and an up and coming team.

The Browns on the other hand, have NONE of the previously mentioned attributes.

 

[Jimbo]

Look, I've made a case for DA and for BQ. At the same time, I think the most important move Mangini SHOULD HAVE made was to declare a starter and stick with him through hell and high water. He's mis-managed this situation entirely. What if DA stinks it up? Where do you go from there? This back and forth stuff is mentally ruining these young QB's.

This is strike 1 for Mangini.

Have you watched the Lions play QB roulette in the past 20 years ?

 

[Davedirectv]

And to add to that....because these two example are so recent and fresh in everyone's mind....and now Sanchez... EVERYONE will want the same thing

Did Ben Roethlesburger sit his first year in the league? I thought he was thrown in pretty quick, and if IIRC won like 7 games in a row?

edit: I just looked it up, he was scheduled to sit the first year, but Charlie Batch got hurt in preseason, moving him up to 2nd string. In the game 2, Tommy Maddox got hurt moving him up to the starter. Ben finished the year going 13-0 and 14-1 including playoffs. Not bad for a rookie imho.