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HD MM said:
Oh, the anticipation! Mangini is supposed to name the starter by Wednesday! I am as torn with this decision as you are.

The one thing with DA is that making better decisions with the ball can be taught. Arm strength and the ability to throw down the field can't. DA has the arm strength to stretch the field and Quinn doesn't. (Which is odd because Quinn is one of the most muscular men on the team). Maybe DA can be coached into not throwing into triple coverage which will help eliminate some of the turnovers? Having DA on the field also keeps the opposing defense honest. They can't stack the line like they do with Quinn since DA can light it up down field.

Then there's Quinn. Did he get a fair chance? He is our 1st round draft pick from 3 years ago. Ahhhh... I keep going back and forth with this. I'm just sick of this back and forth stuff. Make a decision and stick with it already Mangini!
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You'd think DA would have learned about checkdowns and throwing the ball out of bounds by now.....oh well. He's still young, I guess? :)

I almost wish the Browns would have traded one of them in the offseason. The 10 year QB controversy is getting real old.
 
SandraC said:
See, I agree with the praise/criticism thing regarding QB's, because to some extent they are the product of their environment. Matt Cassel isn't going to win as many games in Kansas City. He just isn't. Ever. Unless things change in Kansas City, which brings us to...

But for head coaches it's different, as they are the ones creating the environment. They are the ones responsible for the environment. Coaching changes have much more of an effect than QB changes, more immediate and also more lasting, which is why a bad hire like Mangini is much worse than bringing in a bad QB.

If the Browns had hired Bill Cowher, Paul Holmgren, Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, or Mike Shanahan, they may not be 3-0, but they would not be the joke of the league, with everyone...fans, media, players...ticked off at the coach. As I said, if you're going to annoy people like Bill Belicheck does, you better have the resume of Bill Belicheck.

Mangini got the worst part of Belicheck, the personality, without the good part of knowing how to build a winning football team.


Sandra
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Bad example. Everyone succeeds in the New England system. That's just how it is. That's how the system was built.

Let's look at a time-tested proven QB who switched to a worse off team, just like Cassel. The subject: Drew Brees. In 2006, the Saints got a new QB and a new coach in Sean Payton. Who do you think had the bigger impact on that team, the coach or Brees???
 
Skyhi said:
I couldn't disagree more. If I could pick one player or coach from a list of Manning, Brady, Brees, Cowher, Parcells, or Dungy, it sure as hell wouldn't be a HC. A good QB makes the HC and everybody else on the offense look much better.
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I agree to some extent. But a coach stays. A QB can be done on the first play this Sunday. Ask the Patriots. And a good coach will bring in a good QB. Not vice versa.

Mangini could not win with a hall of fame QB last year.


Sandra
 
HD MM said:
That's cute of you to overlook my Drew Brees/ Sean Payton example. :rolleyes:
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Awww. Thank you! You are just too sweet. :eek:

Isn't the Brees/Payton combination like barely .500 in New Orleans coming into this season? Not sure either one wants to lay much claim to the 'impact' either one has had.

You can bring them up when they win more than one playoff game every three years. :rolleyes:


Sandra
 
SandraC said:
I agree to some extent. But a coach stays. A QB can be done on the first play this Sunday. Ask the Patriots. And a good coach will bring in a good QB. Not vice versa.

Mangini could not win with a hall of fame QB last year.


Sandra
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He could not win with an injured, 40 year old HOFer, correct.
I'll still take the stud QB over the stud HC every day of the week. A great QB will make an average coach look good a lot more often than a great HC will make an average QB look good.
 
Skyhi said:
He could not win with an injured, 40 year old HOFer, correct.
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We'll see if Brad Childress feels the same way...;)

I'll still take the stud QB over the stud HC every day of the week. A great QB will make an average coach look good a lot more often than a great HC will make an average QB look good.
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Examples?


Sandra
 
HD MM said:
LeBron over Phil Jackson.

Would I replace Mike Brown with Phil Jackson if it meant losing LeBron? No way.
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Can we please stick to football? :rolleyes:

You are certainly right about basketball...probably all of the other sports.

But not football. ;)


Sandra
 
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[ame="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4514956"]Source: Dwight Freeney of Indianapolis Colts to miss two to three weeks with strained quad - ESPN[/ame]
 
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