NFL 2009-10 Season

[meStevo]

It wasn't a catch. If the ball touched the ground and didn't move (while in his hand/arm) it'd have been complete. When it touched the ground the damn thing came out of his possession completely. Removed from the emotion of it, it's not that hard of a call to make. Given the opportunity to end the game the defense just couldn't get it done.

All AFC West games are generally close... they'll smash the Broncos, for sure. The Chiefs... well, the Raiders aren't better than Baltimore and we nearly got by them with a backup QB so we'll have to see how we match up now that teams have film on each other. Like I said in the post earlier, with this Raiders offense they look pretty beatable if you can stuff the run and cover their TE. Make Jamarcus throw it long and the WRs drop it or he can't get it to them. On the bright side a lot of those misses weren't picks because they're so far off the mark.

The Chargers have the division to themselves but tend to start slow and finish strong (like they do every season). The Raiders and the Chiefs will fight to be the other competitive team in the division and Denver will be in the cellar barring a Chiefs or Raiders meltdown. What's kinda scary is that the division really doesnt feel as clear cut as it really should be, any of these teams could go on a tear and take the whole thing.

 

[Rey]

thanks....but I am so pissed on how that TD was taken away.....that litterally ALL I thought of in the 2nd half!

when i saw that angle you were talking about i told the wife immediately that they were going to take this away. i know it's the rule but i hate this rule. does anyone remember where this rule came from? i think it came from a playoff game back in 1999 but i'm not sure.

 

[salsadancer7]

It wasn't a catch. If the ball touched the ground and didn't move (while in his hand/arm) it'd have been complete. When it touched the ground the damn thing came out of his possession completely. Removed from the emotion of it, it's not that hard of a call to make. Given the opportunity to end the game the defense just couldn't get it done.

It was a catch because the ball did not come lose UNTIL hit feet AND his butt had hit the ground. The ball was moving, but still had possession with one hand. EVERY video angle showed it but ONE, and THAT is the angle used by the refs, according to what Golic said last night. The video angle the refs decided to use was the angle BEHIND the receiver that did not show him CLEARLY holding on to the ball. It was a terrible call, plain and simple, that changed the complexion of the game going into halftime.

 

[salsadancer7]

when i saw that angle you were talking about i told the wife immediately that they were going to take this away. i know it's the rule but i hate this rule. does anyone remember where this rule came from? i think it came from a playoff game back in 1999 but i'm not sure.

That angle show the ball coming lose AFTER his feet were planted and AFTER his butt touched the ground. I understand the rule...but the rule is null and void because he had possession with his feet and his body, in the case, his butt, BEFORE the ball touched the ground. The angles showing THE FRONT and THE SIDE(facing the receiver) CLEARLY showed EVERYTHING....from the catch, to the possession with one hand to his but hitting the ground to THEN the ball hitting the ground....CLEARLY...and the SOB, MF refs in the booth decided on using ANOTHER angle to make the call?? An angle that showed ONLY the ball coming lose and nothing else...??!! Seriously??!!

All in all, the Raiders, ESPECIALLY the front line...played to win. Seymour was an IMMEDIATE impact with 2 sacks and 3 other tackles for losses. I could of SWORN they got rid of the terrible defensive play calling of Tub-o-Goo, but every time we had them on 3rd and forever...they played that cover 2 prevent BULL**** and the linebackers would dropped back too deep and they would kill us. Our special teams ALSO killed us because every time we scored a touchdown...EVERYTIME...they would allow Sproles 2 HUGE 50+ yard returns on the kickoff. Our rookie receivers were schooled by veteran cornerbacks by preventing the recivers to come off the blocks, taking TOO LONG for pass routes to develope. In the all, the teams overall performance was a C+. The good things BARELY outnumbered the bad things.

 

[mdonnelly]

Bottom line, it was close again but the Faiders always find a way to blow it to SD.

 

[salsadancer7]

Bottom line, it was close again but the Faiders always find a way to blow it to SD.

Yeah....

 

[meStevo]

Doesnt matter if his butt and his feet were down, he has to maintain possession all the way to the ground, rookie tried to break his fall with the arm carrying the ball and lost possession before the rest of his body was on the ground. You can see this in every angle. The reverse angle was a good one because you can see, via the space between the ground and his body, that the ball comes out. If the ball never moved and he came down on it while it was in his hand then it would have been a catch.

The significant part of it all is he made the catch as he was going to the ground, so the play does not end with either feet or anything else hitting the ground. He has to demonstrate possession all the way to the ground.

Here's the exact rule:

"A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with or without contact by a defender) must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

"If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch, interception or recovery."

The reverse angle I think is important because it shows that instead of having it tucked away and in control, the point hit and he lost control, as then proven by the ball coming out as he rolled over a little - http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...58/NFL-GameDay-Chargers-vs-Raiders-highlights (1:50). It's close, but it's the right call. He was essentially bobbling it in one hand. If it would have not left his had, it would have been a touchdown.

 

[Paul Wozniak]

Who won the Raiders game?

 

[HD MM]

Maybe if your Panthers wore the alternate aqua unis, they'd have won yesterday.

What's with North Carolina and foo-foo team colors???

UNC with Powder Blue. The Panthers with Aqua. If they had an MLB team, I'd venture to say their colors would be HOT PINK!

 

[anders5189]

What's with North Carolina and foo-foo team colors???

UNC with Powder Blue. The Panthers with Aqua. If they had an MLB team, I'd venture to say their colors would be HOT PINK!

Don't hate because we look good.

 

[Rey]

Who won the Raiders game?

san diego

 

[meStevo]

Read in a couple of places Tomlinson sprained his ankle on his first series... which is why Sproles saw so much action. He could play, but toward the end of the game it tightened up on him.

Guy's 30, he should probably get comfy on the sidelines.

 

[salsadancer7]

Doesnt matter if his butt and his feet were down, he has to maintain possession all the way to the ground, rookie tried to break his fall with the arm carrying the ball and lost possession before the rest of his body was on the ground. You can see this in every angle. The reverse angle was a good one because you can see, via the space between the ground and his body, that the ball comes out. If the ball never moved and he came down on it while it was in his hand then it would have been a catch.

The significant part of it all is he made the catch as he was going to the ground, so the play does not end with either feet or anything else hitting the ground. He has to demonstrate possession all the way to the ground.

Here's the exact rule:

"A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with or without contact by a defender) must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

"If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, it is a catch, interception or recovery."

The reverse angle I think is important because it shows that instead of having it tucked away and in control, the point hit and he lost control, as then proven by the ball coming out as he rolled over a little - NFL Videos: NFL GameDay: Chargers vs. Raiders highlights (1:50). It's close, but it's the right call. He was essentially bobbling it in one hand. If it would have not left his had, it would have been a touchdown.

I know the rule, the rule is not the issue. He had possession when both feet hit the ground, when hit butt touched the ground and the moment that happend it is a catch, the ball was neither slipping or sliding. When his body turnedto get up, AFTER all that, the ball came loose AFTER.

 

[meStevo]

He caught the ball falling to the ground, he has to maintain posession the entire time. His butt hitting the ground does not end the play. On the way down the tip hit the ground, so he had to maintain clear possession (something Watson did in the NE game despite the ball touching the ground), and does not, so the correct call was made in overturning it.

Here's bit butt hitting the ground (he's not down because he was falling)

Then the ball touching the ground (at which point he was essentially bobbling a catch).

Then the ball coming out of his control completely and on the ground, before he scooped it back up, nullifying the touchdown.

In the NFL's confirmation of the correct call today, they added - "The instant replay review determined that Raiders wide receiver Louis Murphy did not maintain possession of the ball after he hit the ground. Thus, the on-field ruling of a touchdown was reversed by referee Carl Cheffers to an incomplete pass."

Though I'm sure many will think this was some grand Raider conspiracy.

This video, that was clearly made to stoke conspiracy stuff, when instead it shows clearly the person who made it doesn't know the rules, and helps illustrate how he lost control. I think the front angle is better than the others... you can see the ball shift. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnBS8tTsnWE&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - Louis Murphy TD catch ruled an incomplete pass vs Chargers 9/14/09[/ame]

It's not a matter of how the ref put it which was wrong, he didn't lose control 'going to the ground', it's maintaining control AFTER he hit the ground, which is required in a catch like that (usually seen going out of bounds).

 

[meStevo]

The Eagles have cut WR Hank Baskett to make room for an activated Mike Vick. He'll now be able to practice this week, to prepare for perhaps a game 3 start when he's first allowed to play again.

 

[Ramy]

The Eagles have cut WR Hank Baskett to make room for an activated Mike Vick. He'll now be able to practice this week, to prepare for perhaps a game 3 start when he's first allowed to play again.

If they cut Baskett for Vick, then how does Garcia get on the roster?

 

[mdonnelly]

The Eagles have cut WR Hank Baskett to make room for an activated Mike Vick. He'll now be able to practice this week, to prepare for perhaps a game 3 start when he's first allowed to play again.

Wow. Poor Hank and Kendra. And with a baby on the way.

 

[meStevo]

Good question, poking around KFFL.com it looks like they also put OT Matthews on IR

 

[salsadancer7]

He caught the ball falling to the ground, he has to maintain posession the entire time. His butt hitting the ground does not end the play. On the way down the tip hit the ground, so he had to maintain clear possession (something Watson did in the NE game despite the ball touching the ground), and does not, so the correct call was made in overturning it.

Here's bit butt hitting the ground (he's not down because he was falling)

Then the ball touching the ground (at which point he was essentially bobbling a catch).

Then the ball coming out of his control completely and on the ground, before he scooped it back up, nullifying the touchdown.

In the NFL's confirmation of the correct call today, they added - "The instant replay review determined that Raiders wide receiver Louis Murphy did not maintain possession of the ball after he hit the ground. Thus, the on-field ruling of a touchdown was reversed by referee Carl Cheffers to an incomplete pass."

Though I'm sure many will think this was some grand Raider conspiracy.

This video, that was clearly made to stoke conspiracy stuff, when instead it shows clearly the person who made it doesn't know the rules, and helps illustrate how he lost control. I think the front angle is better than the others... you can see the ball shift. YouTube - Louis Murphy TD catch ruled an incomplete pass vs Chargers 9/14/09

It's not a matter of how the ref put it which was wrong, he didn't lose control 'going to the ground', it's maintaining control AFTER he hit the ground, which is required in a catch like that (usually seen going out of bounds).

Sorry, will agree to disagree. And leave it that.

 

[meStevo]

Wow. Poor Hank and Kendra. And with a baby on the way.

Poor guy indeed, he's not a vested veteran, so he could be a Lion by the end of the day.