NBA Lockout thread

I really don't get why the players are so much against a hard cap. Whatever numbers they settle at...53-47, 50-50...whatever, is what they will receive from Basketball Related Income (BRI). Even with a hard cap they will still get that much.

Don't see why that's a problem.


Sandra
 
I really don't get why the players are so much against a hard cap. Whatever numbers they settle at...53-47, 50-50...whatever, is what they will receive from Basketball Related Income (BRI). Even with a hard cap they will still get that much.

Don't see why that's a problem.


Sandra

I agree here. I do not get the correlation between BRI and the hard cap. But there must be one. I am wondering, could it be because the owners of the bigger markets do not want a hard cap either?
 
I agree here. I do not get the correlation between BRI and the hard cap. But there must be one. I am wondering, could it be because the owners of the bigger markets do not want a hard cap either?

My question asked why the players are against a hard cap. It had nothing to do with the owners.


Sandra
 
NEW YORK (WFAN/AP) - Yesterday National Basketball Players Association Director Billy Hunter said repeatedly that the NBA’s intention was always to cancel 2011-12 regular-season games. Today, NBA commissioner Dave Stern said “If anyone thinks we wanted to miss a single game they are wrong.” Stern joined Mike Francesa today to offer his remarks on the status of NBA lockout negotiations. The verdict? It doesn’t look good. “It’s time to make the deal. If we don’t make it Tuesday, my gut … is that we won’t be playing on Christmas Day,” Stern said. Tuesday, the sides will use the same federal mediator who tried to resolve the NFL’s labor dispute months before it eventually ended. If an agreement isn’t reached next week, “the deal is going to slip away from us, as may the season,” Stern said. George Cohen, director of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, will oversee negotiations. Cohen was also a mediator for the NFL lockout this year and a lawyer for the Major League Baseball players union during the 1994 strike. “We really want the union, and us, to explain ourselves to a federal mediator. It may be in the act of explaining we will get a better reality check.” Cohen said he already has been in contact with representatives of both sides “for a number of months.” Using the federal mediator may be the last recourse for an agreement to be reached. “Deal Tuesday or we potentially spiral into situations where the worsening offers on both sides make it even harder for the parties to make a deal.” After mediation the league will bring a revenue-sharing plan to committee on Wednesday and the board of governors on Thursday. Christmas is traditionally the first big day of the NBA season. This year features the NBA finals rematch between the Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat. Billy Hunter, David Stern - Mike Francesa « CBS New York
 
...interesting excerpt from Wilbon..

NBA owners are going to spend the next weeks and perhaps months telling you how little pro basketball players are worth; then, once they get a deal, be faced with the task of trying to build 'em back up again for the purpose of public consumption.

And there's always the complex and even more divisive element of race. Both the NFL and NBA are predominantly black. But the NFL has never been perceived as a "black league" because it has white megastars in players such as Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and coaches such as Bill Belichick. The NBA, on the other hand, has been perceived exactly as a black league for 30 years, even when it featured the likes of Larry Bird and Bill Walton. A championship team led by a blond, blue-eyed German, Dirk Nowitzki, isn't the same as having an iconic white American superstar on the level of Bird or Jerry West. Nor is a coach in the mold of Phil Jackson or Pat Riley.

And while every generation moves further away from stereotypes, more quickly in sports than just about any other industry, the fact is that NBA players with their guaranteed contracts and lavish lifestyles are the objects of derision much more often than their helmeted and more anonymous peers in the NFL -- who, except for those quarterbacks, make quite a bit less. And besides, people of any race and nationality more closely identify with people who look like them.

Even so, the NBA has always struggled with perception issues; a second work stoppage in 12 years, particularly if it's another long one, isn't going to help. And unlike in 1999 -- when the country was in a boom cycle during which the prevailing theme to everyday life was that everybody should "get paid" -- getting paid now, if it takes a public fight to do it, will seem mostly distasteful.

While owners and players alike surely feel they're not going to let public sentiment dictate their position, and perhaps rightfully so, it's hard to imagine that many people have the stomach for the ins and outs of this fight, especially not in the days after President Obama called the economic state of affairs "an emergency." We're talking, remember, about "middle class" people who, if they can still afford to, like to attend NBA games and buy stars' jerseys for their kids. They couldn't possibly be in the mood for hearing about salary caps and luxury taxes and the unacceptability of "settling for" a 50-50 split.

A nation riding on an economic rocket ship in 1999 might let it slide without much resentment, but it's hard to imagine any of this will sit well on the brink of another recession, three years removed from the last one.

The bet here is that owners and players will be shaken out of their complacency when they face an angry public that not only doesn't demand the return of pro basketball but also tells both parties, To hell with your product. That's the risk of this disregard for the economic plight of everyday folk who can no longer afford their ticket prices.

Public ridicule and disdain might be force that ends NBA lockout - ESPN
 
I agree that in any pro league it's very hard to have sympathy for owners or players If there a is lock out/workstopage

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satjay said:
I agree that in any pro league it's very hard to have sympathy for owners or players If there a is lock out/workstopage

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Lock both sides up...the only time they are allowed to eat/drink/bathroom break when they agree to bullet point.
 
Lock both sides up...the only time they are allowed to eat/drink/bathroom break when they agree to bullet point.

Sounds wonderful...doesn't work in this type of negotiation. It all comes down to time...who can hold out the longest. When we are in January and there is a very real chance the entire season will be canceled, we'll see which side is more 'unified'.


Sandra
 
the players will blink first imo. its the way it usually goes anyway.

To be sure there are already players right now who want to 'blink'. We'll see how many more want to blink as the paychecks stop...and at what point enough want to blink so that they agree to a new CBA.


Sandra
 
The two sides go to a mediator today. If the players are eventually going to agree to a 50-50 split (something people on BOTH sides here have agreed is fair), it's time to do so NOW.

Both sides are sticking at 53-47 in their favor.


Sandra
 
Players and owners have been negociating for almost 12 hours according to ESPN's Broussard.

Could that be a good sign? Time will tell...

Can't be all bad if they are still in the same room together for that long.
 
No word yet if the players lowered their demands to that 50/50 split we all agree is fair. If the players agree to that we may be able to get back to basketball.


Sandra
 
No word yet if the players lowered their demands to that 50/50 split we all agree is fair. If the players agree to that we may be able to get back to basketball.


Sandra

In fact, read they it just about hit everything BUT the cap issue and the BRI issue. Which of course, in the end, could be the only real issues.
 
In fact, read they it just about hit everything BUT the cap issue and the BRI issue. Which of course, in the end, could be the only real issues.

An entire day of discussion and they did not touch the cap issue? Wonderful. :rolleyes:

Go to 50/50 people. DO IT!


Sandra
 

Details of the MLB CBA that both the players and the owners agreed to...

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