There was a fight in the Red Sox locker room once involving two unpopular players, and someone there said, "Let 'em go. They might kill each other."
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Quentin didn't charge immediately. It was only after Grienke egged him on with a comment from the mound. The two of them have a history from the AL. Should Quentin be suspended? Probably yes, sit him one day for every start that Grienke misses.
Grenke did not egg him on. That has been confirmed by both teams. Quentin already admitted it was due to past history.
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http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr/11/dodgers-win-brawl-marred-game-at-petco-park/
Just reporting what I read in the San Diego paper.
"... Quentin charged Greinke after the pitcher hit Quentin on the left shoulder with a full count pitch leading off the sixth.
The Padre stepped to the front of the plate and paused briefly, then charged the mound.
Quentin said he charged Greinke after the pitcher said something. “That was the final straw,” said Quentin. Greinke denied he said anything after hitting Quentin. ..."
I'm not condoning what Quentin did, but when you look at the the angle from the camera from behind the plate, it's clear that Greinke said something, and Quentin didn't charge until then.
It has been looked at over and over and the consensus is that Grenke did not say anything until Quentin started towards the mound.
[h=1]The Implications Of Zack Greinke's Injury[/h]
Matt Kemp and Jerry Hairston Jr. also played roles in the altercation. Kemp was particularly vocal during the fray and eventually pursued Quentin after the game, leading to a confrontation that is chronicled here by Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times. Hairston charged toward the Padres' dugout after the field had been cleared, later explaining to reporters that an undisclosed Padres player was mocking Greinke's injury. It's unclear at this time if there will be any punishment handed out for Kemp and Hairston, but presumably they're in line for fines as opposed to suspensions.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Matt Kemp, Dodgers enraged at Padres' Carlos Quentin[/h]
SAN DIEGO -- As the Dodgers were leaving Petco Park on Thursday, Matt Kemp ran into the player who sent him into a rage earlier in the night: Carlos Quentin.
In a hallway between the home and visiting clubhouses, Kemp stood face to face and exchanged angry words with Quentin, who charged the mound and broke Zack Greinke's collarbone in the sixth inning of the Dodgers' 3-2 victory over the San Diego Padres.
"If a guy’s throwing at your head …" Quentin said.
Kemp ordered Quentin not to point his finger at him.
Kemp and Quentin were guided away from each other by their respective teammates, with Dodgers shortstop Hanley Ramirez and Padres pitcher Clayton Richard playing the role of the peacemakers.
Quentin walked to the Padres' indoor parking lot. With the Dodgers' bus waiting just outside, Kemp left too. Clayton Kershaw caught up to Kemp and put his hand on his shoulder.
"We'll see ..." Kemp said as Quentin walked away.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodge...os-quentin-matt-kemp-20130412,0,7314725.story
DANG! I went to Staples Center to see the Kings last night (still hanging in at 4th place, thank you!)...I shoulda stayed home and watched the Dodgers game to see a real fight!!!!
Watch this clip, about 17 seconds in. Greinke clearly says something before Quentin charges.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9162952
I've seen it countless times. The issue is sports media is trying to put their own spin on it.
Watch closely. First,after being hit, Quentin moved towards the mound and said something first. Then Greinke said something back. Then Quentin went from a walk to a charge. Quentin both started towards the mound and said something before Greinke did or said anything.
Quentin even admitted this was due to past history.
Regardless. It is clear that this was not intentional. It is a fact that Quentin gets hit more than any current player in baseball. It is clear that Quentin was hanging over the plate and the ball was not that far inside. It is clear that Quentin should not have charged the mound in that case. It should be that Quentin is held financially liable for the time Greinke misses.
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Reading what the players of both teams are saying further confirms the points I am making.
1) The Dodgers players are 100% behind Greinke. Trying to accuse Ellis of not getting between Quentin and Grienke in a timely matter because of some other reason other than it took him by surprise is utterly ridiculous.
2) This was not intentional in any manner
3) Both teams admit that Quentin was at fault, this should have never happened, and Greinke did not egg him on.
I take the words from the players of both teams more than anything someone in the media who knows little about what is going on.
1) The Dodgers players are 100% behind Greinke. Trying to accuse Ellis of not getting between Quentin and Grienke in a timely matter because of some other reason other than it took him by surprise is utterly ridiculous.
2) This was not intentional in any manner
3) Both teams admit that Quentin was at fault, this should have never happened, and Greinke did not egg him on.
I take the words from the players of both teams more than anything someone in the media who knows little about what is going on.
For a more even-handed report of the fight: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/greinke-breaks-collarbone-brawl-padres-164135275--mlb.html
MLB is just as even handed as Yahoo.
There is nothing in this link that is any different than what I already posted. Even more confirmation of the points I stated, and one point I stated earlier that I forgot to reiterate in my last post, Quentin did this because of past history, not because of anything Greinke said.
There is one thing that all of the media is getting wrong. Greinke was not ejected. He left because he was injured. The trainer took him off the mound and into the dugout.
I'm not a Dodgers' fan, but I have to side with SkiKing on this one. Quentin is definitely in the wrong on this one and it's a crap way to lose a player to injury. Injuries are part of the game, but injuries due to fights have no place.
I guess it was a good thing that the Dodgers were 8 starting pitchers strong during spring training. One was traded and now one is injured, so now they are 6 starters strong. Unfortunately, Capuanno and Lilly are no Greinke.
I'm not sure what media reports you are reading/watching, but I have yet to see one that says Greinke was ejected.
I agree with you that the HBP was not intentional. I agree that Quentin was at fault for charging the mound.
But, until that act is legislated out of the game with stiffer penalties, it is what it is, a part of baseball. Until then, Ellis better get more active in helping to protect his pitchers, or the pitchers better start employing more of a matador defense, instead of trying to shoulder block a charging player who outweighs him by about 50 pounds.
Despite your assertion that Greinke didn't 'egg him on', there are many neutral observers who feel otherwise. Quentin has been hit many, many times in his career, and this is the first time he has charged the mound. It's obvious from watching the video that he did start taking steps towards the mound but did not charge until Greinke said something.
If that ball had hit Quentin's head instead of his shoulder, Quentin is the one who would be out for weeks with a concussion. I can see some motivation on Quentin's part. He thought Greinke was trying to bean him.
What should have been a typical baseball brawl turned ugly when Greinke decided to take the charge with his shoulder instead of tagging him on the way by and then letting his catcher take over.
It is worse for the Dodgers to lose a key player for weeks than it is for the Padres, because the Dodgers have a reasonable expectation of making the playoffs, and the Padres are going to be cellar-dwellers again this season. MLB could suspend Quentin for the year and it wouldn't affect how the Padres will finish.
What should have been a typical baseball brawl turned ugly when Greinke decided to take the charge with his shoulder instead of tagging him on the way by and then letting his catcher take over.
It is worse for the Dodgers to lose a key player for weeks than it is for the Padres, because the Dodgers have a reasonable expectation of making the playoffs, and the Padres are going to be cellar-dwellers again this season. MLB could suspend Quentin for the year and it wouldn't affect how the Padres will finish.
Read the article links that I and others have posted and they all list Grienke along with Kemp, Harriston, and Quentin as being ejected. All the talk shows say the same.
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