Iverson rumored trade to the Pistons!

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Paul Wozniak said:
Let me help you out here, Salsa.
First off, everything you said is 100% true. As for 26 shots a game, isn't that what he was paid to do? Some years I wouldn't have trusted the rest of the 76er's to take that many shots.
I asked this before - How many people here thought the Pistons we're getting to the Eastern conference championship, let alone the NBA championship, if they stood pat? Nothing against Billups here, I watched him play for the last several seasons, and he is one of the best point guards in the NBA, but this team has hit the wall, and changes had to be made. I said this 2 seasons ago and again after last season. The problem really is that we needed a change in the front court. Rasheed Wallace only plays as hard as he feel's like on any given night. To accomplish this change, cap space had to be created. Wallace is in his last season, and I don't see him coming back. So that gives us $14M in cap space. Next comes the emergence of Stuckey as a budding all-star. making Billups expendable.(I should also add that he was the most valuable in the trade market.)
Iverson brings a new look to the offense, not to mention that he is in a contract year, and HASN"T won a title, bringing a sense of urgency, and an ability to breakdown NBA defenses in a way that Billups DIDN'T. Iverson brings a point guard with a talent skills that we haven't seen around here since Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah. Iverson and Stuckey are unafraid to go to the hole with the ball, Billups rarely does that. This is important, because we don't have any true low-post players. (Rasheed thinks he's a small forward most nights, I don't think he likes playing in the blocks anymore.)
Win or lose this season, it brings us to the next 2 seasons. Iverson opens up another $22M in cap space. Now we get to look for a true low post player. Cal you spell Bosh, Stoudemeire, or Boozer? Not to mention another high-ticket free agent to compliment him.
Not only will we be playing in the Eastern Conference championship for the 7th consecutive time this season, but we are now set to continue playing at that level or higher for the foreseeable future.

I can't believe that anybody who has seen Iverson play, could ever question his desire. I have seen him play too many times to count, and I have never seen this guy play less than 100%.
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Much more rational...:)

I thought they should have traded Rasheed if they wanted to shake something up. He's the kind of guy you can always convince at least one GM to believe is the answer to his problems. Plus they could have waited until closer to the trade deadline if they wanted more value, as bad won-loss records and injuries can sometimes make GM's do funny things.

Not sure if you're talking about me questioning Iverson's desire. I have no doubt he plays hard...but so do all the other guys I listed, and a whole lot more. Your buddy made a statement like you can only count on one hand players who play hard like Iverson. That's not true, the league is full of them.

I don't know, I have serious doubt about the Pistons making the Eastern conference finals this season. Boston and Cleveland are too strong, Toronto and Atlanta look like they may be up and coming...heck, even the Knicks have a better record than Detroit right now! :D

This will be a true test for the answer...unless the question is who caused the Pistons to fall short of the EC finals for the first time in a while. ;)


Sandra
 
I have serious doubt about the Pistons making the Eastern conference finals this season. Boston and Cleveland are too strong, Toronto and Atlanta look like they may be up and coming...heck, even the Knicks have a better record than Detroit right now
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The window of opportunity is almost closed on Detroit for good.
 
SandraC said:
Much more rational...:)

I thought they should have traded Rasheed if they wanted to shake something up. He's the kind of guy you can always convince at least one GM to believe is the answer to his problems. Plus they could have waited until closer to the trade deadline if they wanted more value, as bad won-loss records and injuries can sometimes make GM's do funny things.

Not sure if you're talking about me questioning Iverson's desire. I have no doubt he plays hard...but so do all the other guys I listed, and a whole lot more. Your buddy made a statement like you can only count on one hand players who play hard like Iverson. That's not true, the league is full of them.

I don't know, I have serious doubt about the Pistons making the Eastern conference finals this season. Boston and Cleveland are too strong, Toronto and Atlanta look like they may be up and coming...heck, even the Knicks have a better record than Detroit right now! :D

This will be a true test for the answer...unless the question is who caused the Pistons to fall short of the EC finals for the first time in a while. ;)


Sandra
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That would have been ideal, but you have to admit, what I've outlined for the next 2 seasons gives them a lot more maneuverability. I have a real love/hate with Rasheed. He is one of the best in the NBA, but only when he feels like it. Another pleasant side effect of the trade may be that Iverson will not be afraid to call Rasheed out, on those nights he doesn't feel like playing.

I'm not to concerned about records right now. It's a long season, and it will take a while for everybody to adjust to Iverson and a new coach. They do need McDyess back, but I think that one may be a long shot.

I still like our chances a little better this season, with Iverson, though. Sandra, we really did need a change. I'm more excited about the future though. I see a talented core of young players (Stuckey, Maxiell, Johnson), a couple of steady vets (Prince, who is poised to become a great scorer, Hamilton who is a great scorer), and whoever we add through free agency.
 
Paul Wozniak said:
Let me help you out here, Salsa.
First off, everything you said is 100% true. As for 26 shots a game, isn't that what he was paid to do? Some years I wouldn't have trusted the rest of the 76er's to take that many shots.
I asked this before - How many people here thought the Pistons we're getting to the Eastern conference championship, let alone the NBA championship, if they stood pat? Nothing against Billups here, I watched him play for the last several seasons, and he is one of the best point guards in the NBA, but this team has hit the wall, and changes had to be made. I said this 2 seasons ago and again after last season. The problem really is that we needed a change in the front court. Rasheed Wallace only plays as hard as he feel's like on any given night. To accomplish this change, cap space had to be created. Wallace is in his last season, and I don't see him coming back. So that gives us $14M in cap space. Next comes the emergence of Stuckey as a budding all-star. making Billups expendable.(I should also add that he was the most valuable in the trade market.)
Iverson brings a new look to the offense, not to mention that he is in a contract year, and HASN"T won a title, bringing a sense of urgency, and an ability to breakdown NBA defenses in a way that Billups DIDN'T. Iverson brings a point guard with a talent skills that we haven't seen around here since Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah. Iverson and Stuckey are unafraid to go to the hole with the ball, Billups rarely does that. This is important, because we don't have any true low-post players. (Rasheed thinks he's a small forward most nights, I don't think he likes playing in the blocks anymore.)
Win or lose this season, it brings us to the next 2 seasons. Iverson opens up another $22M in cap space. Now we get to look for a true low post player. Cal you spell Bosh, Stoudemeire, or Boozer? Not to mention another high-ticket free agent to compliment him.
Not only will we be playing in the Eastern Conference championship for the 7th consecutive time this season, but we are now set to continue playing at that level or higher for the foreseeable future.

I can't believe that anybody who has seen Iverson play, could ever question his desire. I have seen him play too many times to count, and I have never seen this guy play less than 100%.
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Looks like everything I said....
 
I know. At least 2 of us have it right. I trust Dumars, his missteps (DARKO!) have been few. Time will tell, we had nothing to lose. The Pistons weren't going anywhere, anyhow.;)
 
Paul Wozniak said:
I know. At least 2 of us have it right. I trust Dumars, his missteps (DARKO!) have been few. Time will tell, we had nothing to lose. The Pistons weren't going anywhere, anyhow.;)
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No the Pistons weren't going anywhere...of course not. Except the Eastern Conference finals, of course, where they go EVERY YEAR!!!

Or, at least they did with Chauncey Billups.

Not sure about this year anymore, but at least they were off to a very good start.

You know, once you get to the conference finals, of course, anything can happen...and last season anything almost did. From what I remember the Pistons gave Boston all it wanted, including handing the Celtics the first loss in their building in the playoffs. You can argue the Pistons played Boston tougher than the Lakers did. But if you don't get to the conference finals, it's very hard to win them...

And here is the other side of the coin...if the expiring contract is the most important part of this equation, you would have been much better off with Jason Kidd instead of Allen Iverson. That way you could have had an expiring contract AND competed for the conference again.

And you wouldn't have to be saying...'hey, we weren't going anywhere anyhow'.


Sandra
 
Hmmmm....suddenly, 2 straight ROAD victories(which ain't easy in ANY LEAGUE) led by that 'non-team player' Iverson and things have hushed down quite a bit I see.:rolleyes:;)
 
salsadancer7 said:
Hmmmm....suddenly, 2 straight ROAD victories(which ain't easy in ANY LEAGUE) led by that 'non-team player' Iverson and things have hushed down quite a bit I see.:rolleyes:;)
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Hey, good for them. You can't analyze a trade game by game, though, as I said all along the proof will come in the playoffs when Iverson improves on the 15-5 playoff series record the team fashioned with Billups at the point.

Gotta wonder what would have happened if Biedrins had made that dunk, and it looks like the Warriors are still feeling their way without Baron Davis. When the going got tough, nobody was ready to step up yet.

Still, solid victory for the Pistons.


Sandra
 
I do like what I am seeing from Iverson as far as the asists and the driving down the lane. I think that in the playoffs, that will be a plus for the pistons
 
SandraC said:
Hey, good for them. You can't analyze a trade game by game, though, as I said all along the proof will come in the playoffs when Iverson improves on the 15-5 playoff series record the team fashioned with Billups at the point.

Gotta wonder what would have happened if Biedrins had made that dunk, and it looks like the Warriors are still feeling their way without Baron Davis. When the going got tough, nobody was ready to step up yet.

Still, solid victory for the Pistons.


Sandra
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And I agree 100%....but TOO MUCH has already been made of the fact that when Iverson started for the Pistons, "he"(as if it was HIS FAULT) immediately went oh-for-2....and Billups went 2-an-oh....

So I say again, is THAT still a big deal?:rolleyes:
 
I've watched 5 games with AI and here are my observations:

#1 - This team is a lot of fun to watch now, a lot more transitional basketball.

#2 - Iverson still shoots a lot, but he is doing a great job of distributing the rock also. The players have to keep sharp because he is making passes NOBODY expects. Fortunately the rest of the Pistons are a pretty sharp bunch.

#3 - I love how he takes the ball to the hole - something we didn't enough of previously. He's breaking down opposition defense's with his speed and unpredictability, and making the extra pass for easy baskets in the paint.

#4 - AI is in fantastic shape - he looks like he could play another 5 years at this level.

#5 - Three wins in a row, ON THE ROAD AGAINST THE WEST! Including a smackdown of the Lakers at the staples Center.

#6 - YES, this team can and probably will, be playing for the NBA championship this season.

#7 - This was a good trade for both teams. (Billups and co. took down the Celtics yesterday). It's fun to watch DETROIT BASKETBALL! again.
 
Paul Wozniak said:
I've watched 5 games with AI and here are my observations:

#1 - This team is a lot of fun to watch now, a lot more transitional basketball.

#2 - Iverson still shoots a lot, but he is doing a great job of distributing the rock also. The players have to keep sharp because he is making passes NOBODY expects. Fortunately the rest of the Pistons are a pretty sharp bunch.

#3 - I love how he takes the ball to the hole - something we didn't enough of previously. He's breaking down opposition defense's with his speed and unpredictability, and making the extra pass for easy baskets in the paint.

#4 - AI is in fantastic shape - he looks like he could play another 5 years at this level.

#5 - Three wins in a row, ON THE ROAD AGAINST THE WEST! Including a smackdown of the Lakers at the staples Center.

#6 - YES, this team can and probably will, be playing for the NBA championship this season.

#7 - This was a good trade for both teams. (Billups and co. took down the Celtics yesterday). It's fun to watch DETROIT BASKETBALL! again.
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Geez.....it's dejavu all over again....:rolleyes:;)
 
Pistons got walloped last night: 104-86 by the Suns.

Maybe with Billups instead of Iverson, the game could've been a bit closer.

Kidding, Kidding.......... :D
 

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