Iverson rumored trade to the Pistons!
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I'm sure it will take time to get Iverson into the mix. Billups and co. played together for a long time, so this isn't going to happen overnight. especially without exhibition season to use as experiment time. Practice time is at a premium once the season starts, so chemistry has to come the hard way - during games. Fortunately it's a long time till the "real season".
Hey, how do you expect Iverson to try to make his teammates better at practice, anyway?
Sandra
I am under the assumption you have been to all of Detroit's practices to know he is actually not there...?
I am under the assumption you have been to all of Detroit's practices to know he is actually not there...?
I am under the assumption you don't remember Iverson's tirade against practices?
Sandra
Practice? Practice. Practice? (repeat 34 more times)
Then he says 'how do you expect me to make my team better at practice?'
Sandra
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB1UrcIn9bo&feature=related]YouTube - NEW Allen Iverson "Practice" in Detroit Pistons interview[/ame]
And that was WHEN?? What? in 2002? 6 years ago??!! And with that said, how many players in the NBA play HARDER and give more than he does? You might be able to count with ONE HAND.
And that was WHEN?? What? in 2002? 6 years ago??!! And with that said, how many players in the NBA play HARDER and give more than he does? You might be able to count with ONE HAND.
OK calm down. Proof will come in the playoffs, where the league MVP will be counted on to bring this team to heights Billups could not achieve. This is great news for Piston fans, as Billups set the bar (the one Iverson will obviously leap over) pretty high.
That said, you will never convince me Iverson plays harder than Billups does. What does Iverson do that makes you say he plays harder than everyone else, anyway? I can think of a bunch of guys right off the top of my head that play at least as hard as Iverson.
Don't confuse the fact that Iverson averages 26 shots per game, and Billups averages 15 shots per game, to mean Iverson is working harder. That's not how you measure effort. Chauncey Billups will never be accused of not playing hard.
Sandra
It has been said many times by his OWN PEERS, that pound-for-pound he is the toughest player in the league for HOW he plays the game, how much he plays injured and how much responsibility he had to carry for those lean years on some bad '6ers teams. The 26 shots per game has nothing to do with effort....and I have never accused Billups of NOT playing hard.
You are still missing the whole point of the trade......cap space and lulls in scoring. Obviously, the Pistons think they can win WITHOUT Billups. I think they can too. You obviously don't.
Well I already said it's a great trade from a cap space perspective...so you can stop accusing me of missing the point. If that's why Dumars made the trade, then it's a good trade...provided he uses he cap space wisely next year.
But your point was the Pistons are better off with Iverson than they were with Billups. That's the point I disagree with. You said Iverson would do better than Billups, so we're looking to better that 15-5 playoff series record the Pistons have had. He is a league MVP after all.
And personally, I think Iverson was happy he had to carry so much responsibility for those Sixer teams. That's what he want to be. The man, the answer, call it whatever you want, that's what Iverson wants
It's playing well on a team that is not Iverson's stong point, and the major difference between him and Billups.
And here is a list, that takes up more than one hand, of NBA players who play at least as hard as Iverson:
Kevin Garnett
Carlos Boozer
Rip Hamilton
Amare Stoudamire
Nate Robinson
Manu Ginobli
Bruce Bowen
Steve Nash
Baron Davis
Steven Jackson
Ron Artest
Chris Paul
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Dwight Howard
Raja Bell
Deron Williams
Hope you have a big hand to fit all those guys.
That's not to mention guys who are not quite as talented, but stay in the league BECAUSE of how hard they play, like David Lee, Keyon Dooling, Andres Nocioni, and Leon Powe.
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Let me help you out here, Salsa.
First off, everything you said is 100% true. As for 26 shots a game, isn't that what he was paid to do? Some years I wouldn't have trusted the rest of the 76er's to take that many shots.
I asked this before - How many people here thought the Pistons we're getting to the Eastern conference championship, let alone the NBA championship, if they stood pat? Nothing against Billups here, I watched him play for the last several seasons, and he is one of the best point guards in the NBA, but this team has hit the wall, and changes had to be made. I said this 2 seasons ago and again after last season. The problem really is that we needed a change in the front court. Rasheed Wallace only plays as hard as he feel's like on any given night. To accomplish this change, cap space had to be created. Wallace is in his last season, and I don't see him coming back. So that gives us $14M in cap space. Next comes the emergence of Stuckey as a budding all-star. making Billups expendable.(I should also add that he was the most valuable in the trade market.)
Iverson brings a new look to the offense, not to mention that he is in a contract year, and HASN"T won a title, bringing a sense of urgency, and an ability to breakdown NBA defenses in a way that Billups DIDN'T. Iverson brings a point guard with a talent skills that we haven't seen around here since Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah. Iverson and Stuckey are unafraid to go to the hole with the ball, Billups rarely does that. This is important, because we don't have any true low-post players. (Rasheed thinks he's a small forward most nights, I don't think he likes playing in the blocks anymore.)
Win or lose this season, it brings us to the next 2 seasons. Iverson opens up another $22M in cap space. Now we get to look for a true low post player. Cal you spell Bosh, Stoudemeire, or Boozer? Not to mention another high-ticket free agent to compliment him.
Not only will we be playing in the Eastern Conference championship for the 7th consecutive time this season, but we are now set to continue playing at that level or higher for the foreseeable future.
I can't believe that anybody who has seen Iverson play, could ever question his desire. I have seen him play too many times to count, and I have never seen this guy play less than 100%.
First off, everything you said is 100% true. As for 26 shots a game, isn't that what he was paid to do? Some years I wouldn't have trusted the rest of the 76er's to take that many shots.
I asked this before - How many people here thought the Pistons we're getting to the Eastern conference championship, let alone the NBA championship, if they stood pat? Nothing against Billups here, I watched him play for the last several seasons, and he is one of the best point guards in the NBA, but this team has hit the wall, and changes had to be made. I said this 2 seasons ago and again after last season. The problem really is that we needed a change in the front court. Rasheed Wallace only plays as hard as he feel's like on any given night. To accomplish this change, cap space had to be created. Wallace is in his last season, and I don't see him coming back. So that gives us $14M in cap space. Next comes the emergence of Stuckey as a budding all-star. making Billups expendable.(I should also add that he was the most valuable in the trade market.)
Iverson brings a new look to the offense, not to mention that he is in a contract year, and HASN"T won a title, bringing a sense of urgency, and an ability to breakdown NBA defenses in a way that Billups DIDN'T. Iverson brings a point guard with a talent skills that we haven't seen around here since Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah. Iverson and Stuckey are unafraid to go to the hole with the ball, Billups rarely does that. This is important, because we don't have any true low-post players. (Rasheed thinks he's a small forward most nights, I don't think he likes playing in the blocks anymore.)
Win or lose this season, it brings us to the next 2 seasons. Iverson opens up another $22M in cap space. Now we get to look for a true low post player. Cal you spell Bosh, Stoudemeire, or Boozer? Not to mention another high-ticket free agent to compliment him.
Not only will we be playing in the Eastern Conference championship for the 7th consecutive time this season, but we are now set to continue playing at that level or higher for the foreseeable future.
I can't believe that anybody who has seen Iverson play, could ever question his desire. I have seen him play too many times to count, and I have never seen this guy play less than 100%.
Sorry Matt. Boston has one more run left in them. I could be wrong about Detroit, depending on how the playoffs line up. If we can avoid the Cavaliers, we'll be OK. I think LeBron has our number.
Actually, seeing that you have decided to put words in my mouth...here what I ACTUALLY said as opposed to what you might have THOUGHT I said:
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And the funny thing is....YOU agreed!!
...and I can post more if you like....but my premise has stayed the same. In my opinion, it was a good trade for both team because BOTH team got what they wanted. My point has NEVER, EVER been that they were "better off" with Iverson. You have made it a pissing contest because you like Billups more than Iverson and just can't fathom that the Pistons traded him. They needed a shake-up and they traded the guy that had the most trade value...and the was Billups. It was not a statement of 'Billups is not as good as Iverson', it was a 'we need to make a move'. That's it...nothing more or nothing less.
