2011 AL Central Thread

Good game going on between the Indians and Sox this evening.

I'm not one to blame umpires on a loss, but the ump we got last night was wretched! The announcers were even in agreement! He missed several calls, including a tag-out at third (that would turn into a White Sox run), an interference in the base-path call (that would've resulted in an Indians run), and several dozens of balls in the dirt that were called as strikes. If anyone watched the game, they'd surely back me up on this one. It's been a LONG time since I've seen such a badly officiated game in my life. Ugh!

Tribe loses in 14 innings. :(
 
I'm not one to blame umpires on a loss, but the ump we got last night was wretched! The announcers were even in agreement! He missed several calls, including a tag-out at third (that would turn into a White Sox run), an interference in the base-path call (that would've resulted in an Indians run), and several dozens of balls in the dirt that were called as strikes. If anyone watched the game, they'd surely back me up on this one. It's been a LONG time since I've seen such a badly officiated game in my life. Ugh!

Tribe loses in 14 innings. :(

I'm sorry HD, I watched a lot of the game, including most of the extra innings, and I didn't see what you saw. The White Sox announcers were in agreement that the game was called fairly.

There was a strange play on a bouncer to first, where the Cleveland pitcher, in attempting to cover first base, actually got in the way of first baseman trying to tag the runner. Not sure if that's one of the things you're referring to, but the runner was called safe and none of the replays I saw were conclusive. It happens.


Sandra
 
I'm not one to blame umpires on a loss, but the ump we got last night was wretched! The announcers were even in agreement! He missed several calls, including a tag-out at third (that would turn into a White Sox run), an interference in the base-path call (that would've resulted in an Indians run), and several dozens of balls in the dirt that were called as strikes. If anyone watched the game, they'd surely back me up on this one. It's been a LONG time since I've seen such a badly officiated game in my life. Ugh!

Tribe loses in 14 innings. :(
I watched the entire game and can't recall a game with so many blown calls going against one team.
 
Boesch is back in there tonight, playing RF and hitting 2nd !

The Lineup is so much better than it was at the beginning of the year and going back to last season. We took Inge out of the lineup and Rayburn is no longer an every day player. We have Martinez at DH now, Avila is hot, and now we replaced Mags with Young.

I just wish they would play Betemit pretty much every day and stop playing Kelly at third so often. Inge was only given 8 days off when healthy all season and Betemit has already been given 8 days off in his short time here.

Those bats better be alive today. Its hard to trust Penny now and it would be tough to lose a series against the Twins at home in the middle of this race.
 
I'm sorry HD, I watched a lot of the game, including most of the extra innings, and I didn't see what you saw. The White Sox announcers were in agreement that the game was called fairly.

There was a strange play on a bouncer to first, where the Cleveland pitcher, in attempting to cover first base, actually got in the way of first baseman trying to tag the runner. Not sure if that's one of the things you're referring to, but the runner was called safe and none of the replays I saw were conclusive. It happens.


Sandra

You must note have been paying attention. Like I said. Thanks Sky.....

I watched the entire game and can't recall a game with so many blown calls going against one team.
 
More on the umpiring from last night's game....

To call it embarrassing doesn’t do it justice. Home plate umpire Laz Diaz had a seemingly one way strike zone wider than the Grand Canyon for 14 innings while also calling pitches at the ankles as strikes. First base ump Wally Bell was constantly out of position, including what could have been a game winning blown call in the 10th. Third base umpire Scott Barry called every single check swing a strike, no matter how far a player went (Travis Hafner’s K in the ninth was the most egregious with the winning run on second and two out) and blew a huge call at third. Second base umpire John Hirshbeck had issues of his own on Choo’s “single” in the fourth. Lets look at the worst of the worst:

Trailing 5-2 in the fourth with two on and one out, Asdrubal Cabrera was called out on a 3-2 pitch that was clearly a foot outside. It wasn’t even close. The next four Indians reached on two singles and two walks. The “called third strike” cost the Tribe one run there.

With the score tied at five Alejandro De Aza tripled in Brent Morel, to put the Sox ahead. Choo threw an absolute strike to third that beat De Aza to the bag. He was clearly out, yet Barry ruled him safe. Paul Konerko followed by singling De Aza in. That was the second run the umpires cost the Indians.

While it didn’t cost them a run in the 10th thanks to a double play by Konerko, Bell missed Matt LaPorta tagging De Aza in the back on a drag bunt. Replays clearly showed he was out. Tony Sipp, who was lifted for Chris Perez after the blown call, was so frustrated he was screaming at Bell on his way off the field and was tossed. Sipp went back to get in his face and get his moneys worth.
 
More on the umpiring from last night's game....

Meh. You can take any baseball game, where there are hundreds of judgememt calls made by umpires, and pick out a few that didn't go your way. They all even out in the end.

The Sipp play is the one I was referring to, and in none of the replays did I see the 1B tag the runner. Sipp (the pitcher) was not only in the way of the first baseman trying to tag the runner...he was also in the way in a couple of the replays.


Sandra
 
Meh. You can take any baseball game, where there are hundreds of judgememt calls made by umpires, and pick out a few that didn't go your way. They all even out in the end.

The Sipp play is the one I was referring to, and in none of the replays did I see the 1B tag the runner. Sipp (the pitcher) was not only in the way of the first baseman trying to tag the runner...he was also in the way in a couple of the replays.


Sandra

Sandra, I know you like to argue and debate, but this one's a closed case. Trust me. And leave it at that. I don't argue about ump-ing, if ever. But this game was clearly out of control.
 
Sandra, I know you like to argue and debate, but this one's a closed case. Trust me. And leave it at that. I don't argue about ump-ing, if ever. But this game was clearly out of control.

...not even arguing. Perhaps the Cleveland telecast showed the runner being tagged, but the White Sox telecast showed about 4-5 replays and nothing was conclusive. That's all I'm saying.

This is not the same as the Pirates being ripped off after 19 innings on a completely botched call the umpire apologizes for after he sees the replay.


Sandra
 
I'm sorry HD, I watched a lot of the game, including most of the extra innings, and I didn't see what you saw. The White Sox announcers were in agreement that the game was called fairly.

There was a strange play on a bouncer to first, where the Cleveland pitcher, in attempting to cover first base, actually got in the way of first baseman trying to tag the runner. Not sure if that's one of the things you're referring to, but the runner was called safe and none of the replays I saw were conclusive. It happens.


Sandra

I was actually referring to a different play. Probably about the 6th or 7th run the umps cost us yesterday....

It was early in the game. A Choo “single” with Brantly on first. When Brantley was interfered with rounding second, Choo was CLEARLY cruising on his way into second and even fell over stopping himself to get back to first base (because of the Brantly collision just in front of him). Brantley was correctly awarded third, and I’m unaware of any official rules here, but Choo would have easily been on second. Instead he was on first and boom…double play ball. Inning over.
 
I was actually referring to a different play. Probably about the 6th or 7th run the umps cost us yesterday....

It was early in the game. A Choo “single” with Brantly on first. When Brantley was interfered with rounding second, Choo was CLEARLY cruising on his way into second and even fell over stopping himself to get back to first base (because of the Brantly collision just in front of him). Brantley was correctly awarded third, and I’m unaware of any official rules here, but Choo would have easily been on second. Instead he was on first and boom…double play ball. Inning over.

K...didn't see that one


Sandra
 

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