2011-12 NFL Season

[Bodo Fenrirsson]

exactly. thats why winning a superbowl is a TEAM effort. look how many times elway went to a superbowl without winning one until denver finally had more of a complete team. especially that running game with T.D.

That's what I was saying when John Elway teams lost to the New York Giants,Washington Redskins,& San Francisco 49ers,if a strong QB could win the Super Bowl by himself,the Miami Dolphins with Dan Marino would have defeated the 49ers.

 

[yaz96]

In the topsy-turvy wacky world of the AFC West,if all 4 teams finish the season 8-8,the Chiefs will win the Division. How's that for vindication for Kyle Orton?

Where did you see or come up with this?

 

[mdonnelly]

Yes, but really the team has rallied BECAUSE of him. They all say it.

He has inspired them to BELIEVE. That is one of those intangibles they were talking about. No way Orton could do that, he just wasn;t that kind of guy.

THe defense was not playing this good before Tebow took over. It's just wild.....

I AGREE it's the team, especially the defense right now, but like I said, there's a fire there now that wasn't there before.

Team chemistry can make all the difference. The Broncos (particularly the defense) seem to respond to Tebow's personality, but not Orton's. And yet the Chiefs were able to respond to Orton's chemistry and beat the Packers.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

That's what I was saying when John Elway teams lost to the New York Giants,Washington Redskins,& San Francisco 49ers,if a strong QB could win the Super Bowl by himself,the Miami Dolphins with Dan Marino would have defeated the 49ers.

Marino was facing another 'strong QB' in that game...

 

[SandraC]

exactly. thats why winning a superbowl is a TEAM effort. look how many times elway went to a superbowl without winning one until denver finally had more of a complete team. especially that running game with T.D.

Winning the Super Bowl certainly is a team effort...and the QB is a GIGANTIC percentage of the team. For every Trent Dilfer you can bring up who won the Super Bowl, I can bring up dozens of examples of it being about the quarterback.

Look at Kansas City. With Tyler Palko at QB they're one of the worst teams in the league. One week later, with Kyle Orton, they BEAT the best team in the league.

Peyton Manning...need I say more? Without Peyton it doesn't matter how well their offensive line plays.

San Diego's record IS Phillip Rivers. When he plays well, they can beat anybody. When he doesn't...yikes.

Jay Cutler goes out...Chicago's season is over.

That's just this year. There are tons of examples going back to other years.

This is a QB league.


Sandra

 

[Jimbo]

That's what I was saying when John Elway teams lost to the New York Giants,Washington Redskins,& San Francisco 49ers,if a strong QB could win the Super Bowl by himself,the Miami Dolphins with Dan Marino would have defeated the 49ers.

How many SB wins does Jim Kelly and the Bills have ?

I don't know, for sure, but is Kelly in the HOF , or was he not around long enough, I seem to think his career may not have been all that long.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Where did you see or come up with this?

I saw it here:

Any scenario in which the Chiefs are tied for the division title, which could only happen at 8-8, means they win the division and clinch a berth because they would have the best record in the division.

NFL Playoff Scenarios: Chiefs Can Thank Tim Tebow for Chance at Postseason | Bleacher Report

 

[mdonnelly]

How many SB wins does Jim Kelly and the Bills have ?

I don't know, for sure, but is Kelly in the HOF , or was he not around long enough, I seem to think his career may not have been all that long.

Long enough to win four AFC titles and at least compete in four consecutive SuperBowls.

 

[cosmo_kramer]

Winning the Super Bowl certainly is a team effort...and the QB is a GIGANTIC percentage of the team. For every Trent Dilfer you can bring up who won the Super Bowl, I can bring up dozens of examples of it being about the quarterback.

Look at Kansas City. With Tyler Palko at QB they're one of the worst teams in the league. One week later, with Kyle Orton, they BEAT the best team in the league.

Peyton Manning...need I say more? Without Peyton it doesn't matter how well their offensive line plays.

San Diego's record IS Phillip Rivers. When he plays well, they can beat anybody. When he doesn't...yikes.

Jay Cutler goes out...Chicago's season is over.

That's just this year. There are tons of examples going back to other years.

This is a QB league.


Sandra

The Bears lost Matt Forte too. Look what his backup did against the Denver Tebow's late....

 

[Bodo Fenrirsson]

Long enough to win four AFC titles and at least compete in four consecutive SuperBowls.

I'm sure Jim Kelly is in the HOF. Let's not forget Troy Aikman being one of the big reasons(Emmitt Smith,Michael Irvin,& a good defense being the other reasons).

 

[Jimbo]

Long enough to win four AFC titles and at least compete in four consecutive SuperBowls.

I agree, but they were all in the same seasons, right ?

 

[SandraC]

The Bears lost Matt Forte too. Look what his backup did against the Denver Tebow's late....

True, but before the got hurt Forte had a few monster games...and a few where he was not a factor. The QB is ALWAYS THE factor.


Sandra

 

[Jimbo]

Winning the Super Bowl certainly is a team effort...and the QB is a GIGANTIC percentage of the team. For every Trent Dilfer you can bring up who won the Super Bowl, I can bring up dozens of examples of it being about the quarterback.

Look at Kansas City. With Tyler Palko at QB they're one of the worst teams in the league. One week later, with Kyle Orton, they BEAT the best team in the league.

Peyton Manning...need I say more? Without Peyton it doesn't matter how well their offensive line plays.

San Diego's record IS Phillip Rivers. When he plays well, they can beat anybody. When he doesn't...yikes.

Jay Cutler goes out...Chicago's season is over.

That's just this year. There are tons of examples going back to other years.

This is a QB league.


Sandra

No one here is disputing that it is a QB league...

So now with KC and Orton, they are one of the best teams ?

When Rivers doesn't get the O line play, he doesn't play well ...

If the Bears had brought in a TOP QB they would have continued to win.

 

[Jimbo]

The QB is ALWAYS THE factor.


Sandra

Hmm, Brady went out and they didn't fall apart ...

 

[SandraC]

Hmm, Brady went out and they didn't fall apart ...

LOL they didn't make the playoffs either...


Sandra

 

[SandraC]

No one here is disputing that it is a QB league...

So now with KC and Orton, they are one of the best teams ?

When Rivers doesn't get the O line play, he doesn't play well ...

If the Bears had brought in a TOP QB they would have continued to win.

Exactly!!!


Sandra

 

[Jimbo]

LOL they didn't make the playoffs either...


Sandra

12 wins didn't make the playoffs that year apperantly, I think they had 12 (without looking it up)

 

[Rey]

True, but before the got hurt Forte had a few monster games...and a few where he was not a factor. The QB is ALWAYS THE factor.


Sandra

the qb is ALWAYS a factor as you say but he alone can not get to a super bowl much less win one. there are dozens of cases of great HOF Qb's that spent most of their careers on awful teams. maybe this is one of those things where neither of us is wrong.

 

[Rey]

That's what I was saying when John Elway teams lost to the New York Giants,Washington Redskins,& San Francisco 49ers,if a strong QB could win the Super Bowl by himself,the Miami Dolphins with Dan Marino would have defeated the 49ers.

correct. once they took out the only two good weapons danny had in that game it was over. we had no running game or defense that year but still got there on danny's arm. then you have the 49ers who were a complete TEAM and dominated for a very long time. takes a team, period.

 

[Rey]

LOL they didn't make the playoffs either...


Sandra

but still went 11-5. if not for the miracle year the dolphins had with the wild cat they would've been in the playoffs.