2010 NCAA Football Season

[mccoyrj]

When it comes to the BCS games, I feel that playing in ideal conditions (not in freezing temperatures or sweltering heat and humidity) is the best way to determine the true talent of both teams. Besides, why would you want to handicap the other team so your team could prevail? Hell, if Secretariat had been hobbled, Clarence the Talking Mule could've beaten his ass in the Kentucky Derby! But what would that have proven?

 

[Paul Wozniak]

Let's discount Florida from the SEC's record too, then. Interesting enough, the Pac 10 is still over .500 without USC's 19-3 record during the period.

Over the past 12 years (1998 - 2009), the Pac-10 actually leads the SEC 11-9 (.550).
If you want to add in the Oregon beat down on Tennessee from earlier this season, go ahead.

I just don't buy that the SEC is on a different level. Sure it isn't an argument that can be had with an SEC fan sipping the kool aid given to them by the media, but in their championship streak, there are some interesting things to note. Primarily, in the OSU games, is the way OSU is built. OSU is built to play tough, grind it out football games, in the cold winter weather. If Florida or LSU had played OSU at a neutral site in cold weather in January, it would have been a different game both times. OSU can compete in a nice climate, but they aren't going to win because they are not built for that kind of style, where the weather is comfortable.

Just wondering, if the SEC teams are so good, from top to bottom, why do they schedule teams such as Troy, Charleston Southern, The Citadel, FAU, Jacksonville St, Alabama-Birmingham, Georgia Southern, Georgia st, etc etc etc. There is nothing wrong with scheduling a decent FBS team from a non-automatic qualifying conference, but why schedule FCS teams and other cupcakes?

Furthermore, if everyone, especially SEC fans are so adamant about Boise St and TCU not deserving an opportunity to play in the National Championship game, then here is your solution: SCHEDULE THEM. If they are not on the level to play, then why doesn't one of your better teams schedule them and prove to the rest of us that they are so bad. Oregon and Oregon St for example haven't had that problem. They have lost against these teams, and nothing bad has happened to them. Oregon is #1 in the human polls and played in the Rose Bowl last season despite an opening week loss at Boise St.

Great post. Some real intelligence here.

 

[Paul Wozniak]

Do we have to keep bringing up Michigan?

Does that really need to be explained?

 

[Jimbo]

Sorry to say this, but I have to agree with everyone else. The weather is a non factor when it comes to it being cold, because all non-conference games are played in August or September for the most part and it is never cold in Columbus in that time.

I agree, they never come up later in the year, its got to be the first 3 games of the year so its no different than pl[ing at home, matter of fact, they probably would like to come up where its not quite as hot at that time, but no one comes anyways, maybe they are afraid it would count as a loss in the standings.

 

[Ronnie-]

They never come down at the first of the year, they must not want to play us in the sweltering heat. Well for that matter they dont come anyway, maybe they are afraid it would count as a loss in the standings.

 

[Ronnie-]

Seriously the reason we dont come up there is the same reason yall dont come here. It is not needed. Win your conference and you have a good shot at getting big bucks in a BCS game at the least, the NC game many times. No difference. There are exceptions though, Bama/Penn State, Bama/Mich State, I am sure there have been others.
The few times that our regions do meet is generally at the start of the season for two reasons. One, yes a loss hurts less at the beginning, for both our camps, and second, the bulk of the conference schedule is mid to late season.

But if you guys want to blame it on the weather, by all means. Whatever it takes to justify it.

 

[mccoyrj]

Seriously the reason we dont come up there is the same reason yall dont come here. It is not needed. Win your conference and you have a good shot at getting big bucks in a BCS game at the least, the NC game many times. No difference. There are exceptions though, Bama/Penn State, Bama/Mich State, I am sure there have been others.
The few times that our regions do meet is generally at the start of the season for two reasons. One, yes a loss hurts less at the beginning, for both our camps, and second, the bulk of the conference schedule is mid to late season.

But if you guys want to blame it on the weather, by all means. Whatever it takes to justify it.

In the past tOSU played a one and one with LSU, and had good results. Notre Dame has played several times in Baton Rouge and LSU has played as well in South Bend (as late as Nov. 23rd) with both teams winning in the other team's stadium. Nebraska and Colorado have both come down to Baton Rouge in the past and won, so has Wisconsin, with LSU playing in their stadiums with success as well. You didn't hear about weather being a factor then. That's why today it's just a lame excuse to me for having an inferior team. And you're right Smith, OOC games have traditionally been scheduled early in the fall with conference games scheduled later in the season, so the point really is moot.

 

[Lkr]

I think this whole debate is rendered useless if we were given a proper playoff format

That is the only reason I like to argue about the parity of the conferences. People assume that the SEC automatically deserve a spot in the title game even if they have a 2 loss team, and it can't be denied, that both times in recent history it worked. However, other teams aren't given an opportunity. The whole Boise State "issue" is solved with a playoff as well, since they will earn a championship against other top tier programs

 

[dvrexpander]

I agree, they never come up later in the year, its got to be the first 3 games of the year so its no different than pl[ing at home, matter of fact, they probably would like to come up where its not quite as hot at that time, but no one comes anyways, maybe they are afraid it would count as a loss in the standings.

OSU and Virginia Tech start playing each other in a few more years.... I sure hope they keep it in the middle of the season and not push the damn games up early like they did the BSU/VT game! As of now the first meeting is up at OSU on Sept 20th 2014, then down at Blacksburg on Sept 19th 2015.

 

[Ronnie-]

I think this whole debate is rendered useless if we were given a proper playoff format

That is the only reason I like to argue about the parity of the conferences. People assume that the SEC automatically deserve a spot in the title game even if they have a 2 loss team, and it can't be denied, that both times in recent history it worked. However, other teams aren't given an opportunity. The whole Boise State "issue" is solved with a playoff as well, since they will earn a championship against other top tier programs

But what if they play the playoffs in comfortable weather?

I do not think a two loss sec team deserves it all the time. Depends on the season.
I do think a one loss sec team would deserve it this year based on the schedules of Boise vs SEC teams. Or TCU, or Utah.
For that matter, a one loss Big Ten champ would. Or a one losss other conf champ would of a BCS auto qualifier. (versus a boise equiv.)

 

[Ronnie-]

OSU and Virginia Tech start playing each other in a few more years.... I sure hope they keep it in the middle of the season and not push the damn games up early like they did the BSU/VT game! As of now the first meeting is up at OSU on Sept 20th 2014, then down at Blacksburg on Sept 19th 2015.

What is the diff between sept 2 and sept 19th?

If thats the argument, we played penn state on the 11th. Next year as well. Good split it seems.

We do play Mich state at the beginning of the season home an away.
I just dont see the difference.Not in the same month. Sept is still first part of the season no matter what week it is.

 

[Jimbo]

Seriously the reason we dont come up there is the same reason yall dont come here. It is not needed. Win your conference and you have a good shot at getting big bucks in a BCS game at the least, the NC game many times. No difference. There are exceptions though, Bama/Penn State, Bama/Mich State, I am sure there have been others.
The few times that our regions do meet is generally at the start of the season for two reasons. One, yes a loss hurts less at the beginning, for both our camps, and second, the bulk of the conference schedule is mid to late season.

But if you guys want to blame it on the weather, by all means. Whatever it takes to justify it.

Don't come down there ?

Hmmm, lets see,Texas for a H&A, Miami back to back this year and next.
USC the last two years H and A, Oklahoma coming up in the next round for a H & A ....

Notice none of the SEC schools want to play the Bucks .... wonder why, we play everywhere else.
Thats the

 

[Jimbo]

OSU and Virginia Tech start playing each other in a few more years.... I sure hope they keep it in the middle of the season and not push the damn games up early like they did the BSU/VT game! As of now the first meeting is up at OSU on Sept 20th 2014, then down at Blacksburg on Sept 19th 2015.

Thats interesting, normally the OOC games are the first 3 of the season. Unless the season is starting late that year.

 

[Jimbo]

What is the diff between sept 2 and sept 19th?

If thats the argument, we played penn state on the 11th. Next year as well. Good split it seems.

We do play Mich state at the beginning of the season home an away.
I just dont see the difference.Not in the same month. Sept is still first part of the season no matter what week it is.

Normally, the Big Ten doesn't break up the conference games for a OOC one, it's happened, but not often.

 

[Hart5150]

Don't come down there ?

Hmmm, lets see,Texas for a H&A, Miami back to back this year and next.
USC the last two years H and A, Oklahoma coming up in the next round for a H & A ....

Notice none of the SEC schools want to play the Bucks .... wonder why, we play everywhere else.
Thats the

Please show some proof that they've tried to schedule an SEC team and have been rebuked.

The reason you have to schedule them is weak conference schedule. You need the bump, we don't.

 

[Jimbo]

Please show some proof that they've tried to schedule an SEC team and have been rebuked.

The reason you have to schedule them is weak conference schedule. You need the bump, we don't.

OK, can you show me proff that you HAVE tried to schedule the BUCKS, didn't think so.

 

[The Insider]

So why don't the sec play the bucks? Clearly the sec is scared I mean I would be scared to if my record was 0-10 against them..

 

[salsadancer7]

That is why you have GOTTA respect Florida State before the came to the ACC. They would BOTH Miami AND Florida.

 

[Derwin0]

That is why you have GOTTA respect Florida State before the came to the ACC. They would BOTH Miami AND Florida.

They still would if the Gators didn't dodge them. It wasnt' Miami's choice to end that series.

Unfortunately the new AD at Georgia is going the same route and dumping hard OOC games. Coincidentally he was the AAD at Florida.

While Florida may have a well earned rep for scheduling patsies, other SEC teams (Alabama) are the opposite.

 

[Ronnie-]

Don't come down there ?

Hmmm, lets see,Texas for a H&A, Miami back to back this year and next.
USC the last two years H and A, Oklahoma coming up in the next round for a H & A ....

Notice none of the SEC schools want to play the Bucks .... wonder why, we play everywhere else.
Thats the

And I have shown you that we come up there. So I am not sure where this discussion is going.
Both conferences have teams that schedule tough home and away teams from other regions, yet you do not want to give the SEC any credit for doing the exact same thing your team and conference is doing.

As for the last statement, I guess I could just as easily say, notice that the bucks dont want to play any SEC school, wonder why?