YoutubeTV 2025 price increase

[Jimbo]

How much do those cost vs. the sports channels? The cost of sports is just the biggest problem of course. The proliferation of channels with tiny audiences (if any, statistically speaking) that incrementally increase the cost is also a problem, but eliminating the sports is the most obvious way to cut the cost.

I have a different view of this issue, because, I don't use any of the RSN's that I have available ...
However, I sub to the MLB package and the NFL package (NFL is not RSN's I know).

I get the Package so I can see out of market teams.
Steelers and Texans (and Lions which would be in my area, but NFL isn't on the RSN's)
Astro's and Red Sox
Occasionally another

 

[Jimbo]

How much do those cost vs. the sports channels? The cost of sports is just the biggest problem of course. The proliferation of channels with tiny audiences (if any, statistically speaking) that incrementally increase the cost is also a problem, but eliminating the sports is the most obvious way to cut the cost.

Well, with D*, the Packages would be about $160 ish for MLB ... (I may be going the Streaming version this year, which is cheaper)
NFL package is all over the place depending on what else you have ... it continues to climb ... it was about $440 ish without a YTTV sub, last year.

The Sports Channels, what are you referring to ones like ESPN and FS1 and what not ?
Those I have no idea.

 

[AZ.]

I think all the sports leagues should lift all territorial restrictions so you can watch what you want. That would take pressure off the RSN as they could still produce pre and post games at some profit point.
Some want their local channels, and you pay for them.
Some want kids programming, and you pay for them.
I dont see choice at all, because to few are players anymore, when it comes down to media giants!

 

[comfortably_numb]

Between Netflix, OTA and Philo, I have so much content I'll never be able to watch it all in my lifetime. So for $35 a month, I don't forsee myself spending any more than that except for one-off sporting events or movie rentals on Fandango/Vudu.

 

[ncted]

Well, with D*, the Packages would be about $160 ish for MLB ... (I may be going the Streaming version this year, which is cheaper)
NFL package is all over the place depending on what else you have ... it continues to climb ... it was about $440 ish without a YTTV sub, last year.

The Sports Channels, what are you referring to ones like ESPN and FS1 and what not ?
Those I have no idea.

RSNs, ESPN, FS1, etc. FWIW: I pay for F1TV, so I am not against sports in general. I am just against it being such a huge part of the bill. As long as that is the case, I will argue it should be in its own tier.

 

[Bruce]

RSNs, ESPN, FS1, etc. FWIW: I pay for F1TV, so I am not against sports in general. I am just against it being such a huge part of the bill. As long as that is the case, I will argue it should be in its own tier.

If sports channels were not part of the core package, they would no longer exist.

The biggest evidence are the RSNs, they have lost 65% of subscribers, due to services that quit carrying them and cord cutting and that loss is still growing.

Just not enough people care about watching sports channels to make them profitable in their own tier, would not get enough subscribers.

Even Football, the vast majority do not watch it.

Last year’s Super Bowl, which had great ratings, was still only a tad above 47 Million Households out of 131 Million, that means over 83 Million Households were not watching.

And has anyone seen ESPN’s ratings after Football season, lucky to crack 1% for Regular Season Sports.

 

[comfortably_numb]

If sports channels were not part of the core package, they would no longer exist.

Bleeding the cash cow dry..

 

[ncted]

If sports channels were not part of the core package, they would no longer exist.

Only because the sports networks have continued to overpay the leagues. What we are seeing is a market adjustment. Eventually, either they will have to offer less to carry the games or they will go out of business. This is what happens naturally to unsustainable business models. Adapt or die.

 

[comfortably_numb]

the sports networks have continued to overpay the leagues

Some baseball players may have to live on $220 M instead of $232 M... the horror!!

 

[Bruce]

Going over pricing with YTTV.

I keep reading at other sites how YTTV pricing is becoming like Cable/Satellite.

Well, it is not even close.

First, Dish Network.

The package that is the most similar to YTTV’s is America 120+, due to certain channels that are not in 120, but are in YTTV’s, Big Ten for one example.

120+ is $102.99 then another $14 for locals, as it says this in the link below-

core package prices do not include local channels prices, except for Welcome Pack and DishLATINO Básico.

Then for DVR/3 Boxes ( which is included with YTTV), another $24 a month.

That is $140.99 a month, $58 more then YTTV, $696 for the year difference.

DirecTV is actually about the same, since they have the RSN charge, makes it harder to figure out, the package close to YTTV is Choice, but without the RSN and the fee.

MyDISH

my.dish.com

 

[AZ.]

RSNs, ESPN, FS1, etc. FWIW: I pay for F1TV, so I am not against sports in general. I am just against it being such a huge part of the bill. As long as that is the case, I will argue it should be in its own tier.

Well I think the crap Disney pulls off is a double whammy! They have all those channels, kid channels, then add sports and hold them all hostage for more money.....

 

[dishdude]

Going over pricing with YTTV.

I keep reading at other sites how YTTV pricing is becoming like Cable/Satellite.

Well, it is not even close.

First, Dish Network.

The package that is the most similar to YTTV’s is America 120+, due to certain channels that are not in 120, but are in YTTV’s, Big Ten for one example.

120+ is $102.99 then another $14 for locals, as it says this in the link below-

core package prices do not include local channels prices, except for Welcome Pack and DishLATINO Básico.

Then for DVR/3 Boxes ( which is included with YTTV), another $24 a month.

That is $140.99 a month, $58 more then YTTV, $696 for the year difference.

DirecTV is actually about the same, since they have the RSN charge, makes it harder to figure out, the package close to YTTV is Choice, but without the RSN and the fee.

MyDISH

my.dish.com

Which is why I'm still with Dish. I have a Wally, OTA adapter and they keep giving me $40/mo off.

The content is so poor, I'm not sure it's even worth $65/mo I'm paying.

 

[Bruce]

Which is why I'm still with Dish. I have a Wally, OTA adapter and they keep giving me $40/mo off.

The content is so poor, I'm not sure it's even worth $65/mo I'm paying.

Why do you, it only costs me $5 more, I get Paramount, Showtime, MAX, Peacock, Hulu, Disney, Netflix.

Not saying you would want all those, but you would get so much more content.

 

[dishdude]

Why do you, it only costs me $5 more, I get Paramount, Showtime, MAX, Peacock, Hulu, Disney, Netflix.

Not saying you would want all those, but you would get so much more content.

I work from home and like having the news on in the background on mute. For $65/mo and not having it use bandwidth or have to deal with the stream stopping I'll keep it as long as they're offering a significant discount.

I have Hulu/Disney/Max w/ads and Paramount+ w/ads for free through my credit card, the only one I really use is Max and even that isn't much. Also have Prime for the shipping but never use the streaming service.

YouTube Premium is the bulk of my viewing, it's the only one I wouldn't want to give up.

 

[Bruce]

I work from home and like having the news on in the background on mute. For $65/mo and not having it use bandwidth or have to deal with the stream stopping I'll keep it as long as they're offering a significant discount.

You should try the free 24 hour news options, CBS News, NBC and ABC all provide them.

Then CNN is on MAX, which I mostly use.

I have Hulu/Disney/Max w/ads and Paramount+ w/ads for free through my credit card, the only one I really use is Max and even that isn't much. Also have Prime for the shipping but never use the streaming service.

Since I use the above, I have them without ads, also hate paying twice for the same programming, I still watch CBS shows, but why pay for those on paid Live TV when they are available on P+, a lot of them in 4K, plus the streaming shows/movies, which are not on Live TV.

Also, I get upset, because of paying for all those all those channels/content I would never watch.

Everyone keeps saying à la carte in the Live TV Industry would never work, but streaming services are proving them incorrect, now that they are turning profitable and by the end of 2024/1st Quarter 2025, we will hit the point where more Households in the United States, do not have a Live TV Service, then do have.

 

[CSM]

Raise the price $10 and not add any more channels? Isn't that why they don't add the History channel because they have to take all the A&E channels, and they would have to raise the price adding those? Same with not adding METV, H&I and FETV?

 

[Bruce]

Raise the price $10 and not add any more channels? Isn't that why they don't add the History channel because they have to take all the A&E channels, and they would have to raise the price adding those? Same with not adding METV, H&I and FETV?

Who cares, most of those channels are nothing but reruns, where you can get the same content for free from services like Pluto TV.

The A&E, History channels get extremely low ratings.

The YouTube TV service is only $83 a month.

DirecTV, Dish, Comcast, etc are at least $50-60 more a month, pay that if you believe those channels are worth the over $600 more a year.

 

[Jimbo]

You should try the free 24 hour news options, CBS News, NBC and ABC all provide them.

Then CNN is on MAX, which I mostly use.


Since I use the above, I have them without ads, also hate paying twice for the same programming, I still watch CBS shows, but why pay for those on paid Live TV when they are available on P+, a lot of them in 4K, plus the streaming shows/movies, which are not on Live TV.

Also, I get upset, because of paying for all those all those channels/content I would never watch.

Everyone keeps saying à la carte in the Live TV Industry would never work, but streaming services are proving them incorrect, now that they are turning profitable and by the end of 2024/1st Quarter 2025, we will hit the point where more Households in the United States, do not have a Live TV Service, then do have.

There is PLENTY of stuff on Streaming that most of us will NEVER watch ... just like Live TV ...
Just sayin ...

You always point out how reruns are terrible (Tons of people like them) and point out all the Other stuff that you get with Streaming ...
Most of which I would never have time to watch.

For example, theres got to be 10,000 different things on Netflix as well as other services ... so you are actually still paying for stuff you'll never watch.

Same goes for Paramount Plus, I watch a few different shows, the other 10,000 items are just There.

Just sayin.

 

[dishdude]

There is PLENTY of stuff on Streaming that most of us will NEVER watch ... just like Live TV ...
Just sayin ...

You always point out how reruns are terrible (Tons of people like them) and point out all the Other stuff that you get with Streaming ...
Most of which I would never have time to watch.

For example, theres got to be 10,000 different things on Netflix as well as other services ... so you are actually still paying for stuff you'll never watch.

Same goes for Paramount Plus, I watch a few different shows, the other 10,000 items are just There.

Just sayin.

No one is paying $150/mo for Paramount Plus.

 

[Bruce]

There is PLENTY of stuff on Streaming that most of us will NEVER watch ... just like Live TV ...
Just sayin ...

You are correct, so why spend so much more on Traditional Live TV if the content you do watch, is available via streaming, in better quality and a less expensive price.

You always point out how reruns are terrible (Tons of people like them) and point out all the Other stuff that you get with Streaming ...

While I do not like to watch reruns, I know that many do, but that is not my point, which is, why pay for them on Satellite/Cable TV, where they use those rerun channels to pad their channel count, which then gets the bill to the $150 range and above, when you can get the exact same rerun content for free via Pluto and the likes.

Most of which I would never have time to watch.

I agree, I am still about 2 years behind on just new content, but at least I have so many options in regards to new content, which you no longer have with Traditional Paid Live TV.

After Football Season, hopefully more time to watch, for example, I will have all day Saturday/Sunday to binge watch, since it will not be consumed with Football.

For example, theres got to be 10,000 different things on Netflix as well as other services ... so you are actually still paying for stuff you'll never watch.

And there are many things I do wish to watch, so many new shows, which we no longer get on Traditional Live TV.

Same goes for Paramount Plus, I watch a few different shows, the other 10,000 items are just There.

Same answer, but I do have to say, P+ is my favorite service, love the originals and the fact you get CBS shows in real 1080P and 4K, which is not even a option with DirecTV.

Even on YTTV, while it is a 1080P picture, it is up converted, while better then DirecTV/Dish/Comcast/whomever, nothing beats native 1080P and of course, 4K video quality.

Just sayin.

I am just sayin, I prefer the streaming services, for the better Video/Sound, more new content then I could ever watch, the same content from Networks/Cable Channels, movies, sports, including HBO and Showtime, for roughly $70-80 a month.