Yea but Dish is NOT an internet service provider (Hughesnet doesn't count)
You will be surprised at the number of customers who have Dish but no internet service. It's one of the lowest percentages in the industry behind Directv.
VIP Receiver Retirement
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Yea but Dish is NOT an internet service provider (Hughesnet doesn't count)
You will be surprised at the number of customers who have Dish but no internet service. It's one of the lowest percentages in the industry behind Directv.
Although I agree more hoppers get connected to the internet, the percentage Is far worse for a stand alone HD receiver such as a 211 or a Wally, or even a stand alone HD receiver.
What Dish and Directv need to be doing is only offering Hoppers and Genies to all new customers and just simply turning off the DVR function if the customer doesn't want DVR OR wants to pay extra to use it.
Stand alone HD products should only be allowed for Commercial customers or 1 off situations like a camper.
What Dish and Directv need to be doing is only offering Hoppers and Genies to all new customers and just simply turning off the DVR function if the customer doesn't want DVR OR wants to pay extra to use it.
Stand alone HD products should only be allowed for Commercial customers or 1 off situations like a camper.
I thought it stood for Video over IP.
Well DUH...of COURSE I was "slamming the service"! When E* charges my CC $125+ each month, they are charging me for - get ready - satellite TV SERVICE
It just like when you pay for your cell phone each month, you are paying for...cell phone SERVICE When I pay Comcast for internet access, I'm paying them for - internet SERVICE
Obviously any of these services requires "technology" (equipment) for you to obtain said "service"; when the equipment is defective &/or has problems, it compromises the "SERVICE" I'm paying for.
The point which should be obvious to most folks, us folks that are "constantly whining" about how our "service" has now been degraded, feel we are NO longer getting the "service" we were once paying for. So sorry that some of us refuse to kowtow to a bunch of flimsy excuses to this & just accept it as being the "new norm".
Again for the 2nd time:
I don't do OTA thru the Ho's & I've turned off PTAT, as I had already shifted all my local network programs to my Tivo's...so it sure isn't the cause of my issues.
(And IMHO, since E* NO longer is updating it's OTA EPG sub-channel listings, doing OTA thru (any of) their receivers is a waste of time anyway)
I doubt it also...see we actually agree on some things
Well I'm sorry that our "whining" is causing you such anxiety & is so "insulting"...really, if all it takes is discussions in a satellite forum to "insult" you, I guess you have more problems than I'm having with these Ho's...
Not that you probably even remotely care, but I was doing satellite when it was only BUD's, before E* & D* came to exist. I was one of very first dealers to sell E* systems...the first receivers I worked with were the HTS 3200's that only looked at the 119 slot...so I've been around a bit.
I've had all but every type of DVR in my house...starting with the (non-satellite) Replay's & progressing thru numerous Tivo's (both standalone & D* based) as well as most of the E* ones...starting with that clusterf$%k Dishplayer w/the wireless keyboard. I've also had Comcast DVR's (back when we were Insight) & have one of those, also I haven't taken back yet.
My point to all this is - I've been on this board since it's inception. I've helped out many, many folks on here long before you probably even heard of this place, as well as my A/V sideline. Because I am NOT employed by any of these providers in any way, I am NOT behooved to wave pom-poms for ANY of them. I pick ALL of the providers apart & convey this knowledge to my clients...so that they are truly making an informed choice of (TV) providers..since they'll also be stuck for 2 years in most cases. I have always told it like it is...in the good, bad, awesome & horrible aspects of any of these services - and will continue to do so, regardless of what the opinions are of a "couple people". Last time I checked, this place is run by Scott G & he prides himself on letting everyone tell it like it is. If he or his mods have any problems with my postings, I KNOW they'll be happy to tell me personally.
Agree, but I WILL still call out B.S. when I see it - not changing at this stage. I'm surprised you're not over w/Chad at this "safer" site:
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You don't know. As soon as the original Hopper came out, long before the EPG problems, the Seek and Record function did not behave like the ViP Dish Pass, and was reported to have many fewer features and configurability than the old Dish Pass. The EPG issue just exasperated the differences between them.
I think you meant "exacerbated". But I'm sure if we both had Hoppers, we'd both be quite exasperated as well. 
But I'm sure if we both had Hoppers, we'd both be quite exasperated as well. 
I presume it is like anything. My old 2700 would be be activated either. The add on OTA unit for the Hopper or Wally, I was told the OTA signal has to be stronger than the built in 211k OTA tuner. Would my 1000.2 set up work with a Wally or Hopper? I am a single guy in my upper 60s and for my viewing I do not need more than what the 211k offers. The internet might be nice, but I do have the Roku and Chomecast. Where is is much more offerings. Why does someone call the Wally a poor choice?
Oh don't worry, I am here too. And on Facebook. Not being employed by them, it doesn't matter which site I am on. And I come here to help and give my opinion. I am on the other site, it is to help as it is not really the place for opinions. Those are not power users like here.
Yeah, I knew that wasn't right, but I didn't feel like going back and fixing it. I couldn't think of exacerbated at the time.I think you meant "exacerbated".
I have been able to get my favorites channel guide on my computer and could set recordings from the PC. I can not watch channels on my pc.
Larry
In all fairness a two tuner that would only allow 1 joey would serve people that watched a lot of network locals pretty well if it worked like the rest of the hopper line and all 5 locals only used one tuner in fact it would be a significant upgrade. I am correct that even now the VIP receivers don't do this aren't I. It has been so long since I had a VIP I can not remember.
That's a good point about if it has PTAT. (all the networks recording at once) That would be a plus.
The question as asked by somebody is would it be cheaper for the subscriber? If not I'm sure I see the point of it. Would they make the DVR fee lower or even lower enough to make a difference than a the Hopper? If not Grandfathered isn't the DVR fee now the same for the VIP as it is for the Hopper? A Joey costs less than a second VIP but that's a severe downgrade for a $3 savings and wouldn't be a usable configuration for alot of people. (Just two Satellite tuners even with PTAT for the networks)
A configuration I can see it working with is as a second unit with the Hopper instead of a Joey - like a replacement for the Super Joey.(That I believe can not be used with the current Hopper) It would then provide a back-up and work in conjunction with the Hopper or be able to work on it's own. OR if someone really only needs two Satellite tuners as the only receiver but then it has to cost less and enough so that you give up 16 tuners. OR it has less bugs than the Hopper.
Correct. At the time ViP receivers were launched, the cable companies were offering on demand and it was very popular. This was Dish's response.
I love my 612, 3 tuners to record from and it's stable. I have no desire or need to get a Hopper.
Does a ViP even do Netflix? No? So why would you expect the search results to include Netflix on a ViP?
That's his point. He thinks having Netflix and being able to search it is somehow a valid compensation for the unreliable and crippled search the Hoppers have compared to the ViPs.
I don't want my DIsh receiver to do Netflix. Netflix is built into my TV and I have a Chromecast. I don't need it in my Dish receiver.
So after I posted how stable the 612 was, I was watching Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and he was doing a segment on a Time Warner/AT&T merger. He made a joke about watching this on AT&T and if you can keep your crappy service up long enough to watch this segment - 612 crashed! I thought the frozen frame was part of the joke. Had to reboot the thing twice before it came back.
So after I posted how stable the 612 was, I was watching Last Week Tonight with John Oliver and he was doing a segment on a Time Warner/AT&T merger. He made a joke about watching this on AT&T and if you can keep your crappy service up long enough to watch this segment - 612 crashed! I thought the frozen frame was part of the joke. Had to reboot the thing twice before it came back.
Oh dear. I haven't noticed my 612's being crash-happy all of a sudden. Do you know of anything that might have caused this?
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