For that particular statement...he is right Ramy. For this subject, you are right. Race has nothing to do with it. I do not think he brought up for the subject at hand.
Shocking News: McGwire Admits Using Steroids!!!!
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For that particular statement...he is right Ramy. For this subject, you are right. Race has nothing to do with it. I do not think he brought up for the subject at hand.
BACK on subject.
Now that I have seen and read his confession. I really hope that he is well received in St. Louis. I truly believe he is one of the nicest men in sports. Now, do I think he would have broken Maris's record WITHOUT PEDs.??...not really, but we will never know. Do I think he would have STILL hit over 500 home runs WITHOUT PEDs...? Yep...absolutely. His swing was catered to hit the long ball, even after he shortened it.
Now that I have seen and read his confession. I really hope that he is well received in St. Louis. I truly believe he is one of the nicest men in sports. Now, do I think he would have broken Maris's record WITHOUT PEDs.??...not really, but we will never know. Do I think he would have STILL hit over 500 home runs WITHOUT PEDs...? Yep...absolutely. His swing was catered to hit the long ball, even after he shortened it.
How?? He claimed he was a "walking M*A*S*H unit" at the time he started taking steroids and needed them to go on. It was so bad he told his Dad he was considering retiring. Do you really think he would have had a 17-year career without them??
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Year Age Tm G PA AB HR RBI
1987 23 OAK 151 641 557 49 118
1988 24 OAK 155 635 550 32 99
1989 25 OAK 143 587 490 33 95
1990 26 OAK 156 650 523 39 108
1991 27 OAK 154 585 483 22 75
1992 28 OAK 139 571 467 42 104
[COLOR="Red"]1993 29 OAK 27 107 84 9 24
1994 30 OAK 47 172 135 9 25[/COLOR]
1995 31 OAK 104 422 317 39 90
1996 32 OAK 130 548 423 52 113
1997 33 TOT 156 657 540 58 123
1997 33 OAK 105 433 366 34 81
1997 33 STL 51 224 174 24 42
1998 34 STL 155 681 509 70 147
1999 35 STL 153 661 521 65 147
2000 36 STL 89 321 236 32 73
2001 37 STL 97 364 299 29 64
RACE!! I did not bring that up! I did bring up the fact that there has been CHEATING in MLB since the start! The fact people can say how great a certain player was and say they did not cheat!? Well i was just saying i have a very different opinion! I don't know why you people always have to pull the RACE CARD!!
I think the PEDs help with longevity way more then power! The prof is in the pudding. More games played is more chances to hit. Mac was always a home run hitter he could never play a full season without injury.
RACE!! I did not bring that up! I did bring up the fact that there has been CHEATING in MLB since the start! The fact people can say how great a certain player was and say they did not cheat!? Well i was just saying i have a very different opinion! I don't know why you people always have to pull the RACE CARD!!
Give it a rest. You DID bring it up by saying.....
Mickey Mantle
You mention the watered down talent pool which is saying it indirectly.
But he got more home runs per at bat after going on steroids. It's not just longevity. It's physics - McGwire bulks up, stronger, swings the bat faster, so more momentum is transferred from the bat to the baseball, so the baseball goes farther. Doesn't change how well he hits a baseball, just changes how far it goes.
I'm not sure if you've ever been to Disney World before but if you go please visit Fantasyland. You will fit right in.
Ah NO you give it a rest! The talent pool was watered down! I did not bring up RACE! I said not all were allowed to play. In which all these so called greats got false records! You brought up RACE! Base Ball has been cheats from the get go! From booze to coke! Yea speed helped these old timers to. So did playing against a lesser talent.
This is true i still think since he could play more games and healthier doing so really helped more then power. That and the year he hit 70 pitchers were throwing him meat pitches. Heck feeling better gives any one more power.
You could say Josh Gibson's records were tainted, because he played against lesser talent too. Not everybody in the Negro Leagues was an all-star. Same with the MLB pre-Jackie Robinson. It's not fair to label one league's records tainted and not the other.
That is true you sure could say that. Even though every time they played the mlb they won! You are right and i do apologize at the same time i did not bring up race and not just negro leagues. Asia has some good ball player too. Point is MLB have been cheating for years!
At the same time if people want to keep pulling out these mlb guy's with records and comparing them to the steroid freaks of today that's OK? MLB ok any other league race card?
Whoa there big guy. I think I'm on your side. Comparisons between leagues and eras are all bogus.At the same time if people want to keep pulling out these mlb guy's with records and comparing them to the steroid freaks of today that's OK? MLB ok any other league race card?
At the same time if people want to keep pulling out these mlb guy's with records and comparing them to the steroid freaks of today that's OK? MLB ok any other league race card?
You need to stop saying I am pulling the "race card" when I am not. You started this not me. I said in my first post that you were right, but this is not the thread to discuss it.
The sad thing about this is not every player juiced. We just don't know who did and didn't . But when I saw those Home Run Numbers I knew something was up. I didn't know if it was the baseballs, the bats or what but something was wrong. Really sad that the whole era is tarnished, as it should be .
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WHY??!! Because I do not agree with YOU??!! Please.... YOU don't think if Mantle and Ruth had steroids...they wouldn't have used it? They didn't give a ratz a$$ about records...they wanted to win by ANY MEANS necessary. They use to have spies in centerfield with binoculars to see if they could read signs from the catcher or manager. Don't know about you...but THAT was cheating. They use to have pitchers doctor up balls for years until it was banned....THAT was cheating.
I have given you plenty of proof just by the single list on the Mitchell report. PLENTY of Mendoza line hitters that steroids did little to NOTHING to improve their stats. For every McGuire, I give you a couple of Dave Seguis and Dave Roberts.
Just agree to disagree and move on dude.....I know I am not gonna change anyones minds here because they have already been made up. Hell, there are still some folks believe Pete Rose never bet on baseball though the proof is as plain as the nose on their face.
...move on dude...
