Shocking News: McGwire Admits Using Steroids!!!!
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Oops, you left out the seasons after he hit 48 home runs. You know, the ones where he hit 32, 33, 39, 22 and 42 home runs, before he started getting injured. Check out your own link...
As Mdonnelly said, that's an average of 36 HR's per year...INCLUDING the one year you did recollect, the 48 HR year. Not quite up there in the rarified, history-shattering air of 65-70 HR's, is it?
To be fair, it should be stated Barry Bonds most likely would have made the HOF even without the video game numbers he put up after he started juicing. He was that good. McGwire was not.
Sandra
Oops, you left out the seasons after he hit 48 home runs. You know, the ones where he hit 32, 33, 39, 22 and 42 home runs, before he started getting injured. Check out your own link...
As Mdonnelly said, that's an average of 36 HR's per year...INCLUDING the one year you did recollect, the 48 HR year. Not quite up there in the rarified, history-shattering air of 65-70 HR's, is it?
To be fair, it should be stated Barry Bonds most likely would have made the HOF even without the video game numbers he put up after he started juicing. He was that good. McGwire was not.
Sandra
So you are saying that he would have never hit anything above 36 hr a year...? And YOU can vouch for that? His 2nd year in the majors, he hit 49...and in 1992 he 42....in 12 games LESS than he did his 2nd year....12 games less.
...You REALLY sure he could not have hit more than 36 home runs per year...?? Yeah, that thin air up in the northeast is doing something with your logic....:haha
Truth be told, you could not assure me he could not have hit them without PEDs as much I could assure he could....
During those years, pitchers did their homework on him and he needed to mature as a hit. Who knows....but one thing for sure, he was a home run hitter. Was not, as they say, "a slap hitter". His 2nd season and his whole college career PROVED he was capable of huge numbers in the home run category.
Look at his stats from high school, through AAA to the majors....every year, his average HR per ABs improved SIGNIFICANTLY every year......every year.
Mark McGwire's Stats: From College to MLB
so please, at least do a little homework before you go spewing things and just agreeing with what SOMEONE else brings up....
I have no issues debating with people that do a little homework....
What about my homework in post # 117??So you are saying that he would have never hit anything above 36 hr a year...? And YOU can vouch for that? His 2nd year in the majors, he hit 49...and in 1992 he 42....in 12 games LESS than he did his 2nd year....12 games less.
...You REALLY sure he could not have hit more than 36 home runs per year...?? Yeah, that thin air up in the northeast is doing something with your logic....:haha
Truth be told, you could not assure me he could not have hit them without PEDs as much I could assure he could....
During those years, pitchers did their homework on him and he needed to mature as a hit. Who knows....but one thing for sure, he was a home run hitter. Was not, as they say, "a slap hitter". His 2nd season and his whole college career PROVED he was capable of huge numbers in the home run category.
Look at his stats from high school, through AAA to the majors....every year, his average HR per ABs improved SIGNIFICANTLY every year......every year.
Mark McGwire's Stats: From College to MLB
so please, at least do a little homework before you go spewing things and just agreeing with what SOMEONE else brings up....
I have no issues debating with people that do a little homework....
So you are saying that he would have never hit anything above 36 hr a year...? And YOU can vouch for that? His 2nd year in the majors, he hit 49...and in 1992 he 42....in 12 games LESS than he did his 2nd year....12 games less.
...You REALLY sure he could not have hit more than 36 home runs per year...?? Yeah, that thin air up in the northeast is doing something with your logic....:haha
Truth be told, you could not assure me he could not have hit them without PEDs as much I could assure he could....
During those years, pitchers did their homework on him and he needed to mature as a hit. Who knows....but one thing for sure, he was a home run hitter. Was not, as they say, "a slap hitter". His 2nd season and his whole college career PROVED he was capable of huge numbers in the home run category.
Look at his stats from high school, through AAA to the majors....every year, his average HR per ABs improved SIGNIFICANTLY every year......every year.
Mark McGwire's Stats: From College to MLB
so please, at least do a little homework before you go spewing things and just agreeing with what SOMEONE else brings up....
I have no issues debating with people that do a little homework....
Funny how many players started 'maturing' as hitters during the steroid era. Before that they just got old.
Spin it any way you like, the numbers speak for themselves.
Sandra
LOL!! Hence the reason why I said I had no issues with debating people that do their homework! You did your and I have no issues debating it with you. You are reading the numbers a certain way, I am reading them another. People do this every day....you and I have a differences on what the numbers say.
...something to the extent of ....you OR I, are reading the numbers as either half empty or half full.....
Funny how many players started 'maturing' as hitters during the steroid era. Before that they just got old.
Spin it any way you like, the numbers speak for themselves.
Sandra
LIKE clockwork! Hell, I almost started a count down to the comment....
No spin my dear, he has CLEARLY showed he can hit home runs by the ton. "THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES"
IF it ain't according to Sandra, it's spin.
You are as predictable as the sunrise!
Let's just agree to disagree....
LIKE clockwork! Hell, I almost started a count down to the comment....
No spin my dear, he has CLEARLY showed he can hit home runs by the ton. "THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES"
IF it ain't according to Sandra, it's spin.
You are as predictable as the sunrise!
Let's just agree to disagree....
It's useless Salsa. I gave her cold hard numbers with regards to Braylon Edwards in another thread and she chalked it up to "spin" too.
I'm late to the thread and haven't read the whole thing....
Are people saying PEDs don't increase HR totals? Seriously?
I know this can never happen, but I wish they'd ban all the cheaters for life. I love baseball, but I've had about enough of Selig and the union being light on these cheaters who have pissed all over the integrity of the game.
McGwire employed by an MLB team as a htting coach is an absolute joke.
Are people saying PEDs don't increase HR totals? Seriously?
I know this can never happen, but I wish they'd ban all the cheaters for life. I love baseball, but I've had about enough of Selig and the union being light on these cheaters who have pissed all over the integrity of the game.
McGwire employed by an MLB team as a htting coach is an absolute joke.
I just can't believe MLB and the Union were so stupid/negligent/blind while this was occurring. In a generation or two, soccer is going to replace baseball in the pecking order of pro-sports in the USA and this WWE style cheating will be one of the reasons why.
Short-sighted disgusting greed. Way to be a steward to the game, Mr. Selig.
Short-sighted disgusting greed. Way to be a steward to the game, Mr. Selig.
Look at the Mitchell report and all the INCREDIBLE POWER HITTERS on that list.
For every Bonds....I will give you a couple of Armando Rios and Randy Velardes.
It's useless Salsa. I gave her cold hard numbers with regards to Braylon Edwards in another thread and she chalked it up to "spin" too.
Your Braylon Edwards obsession is mildly disturbing...
Sandra
LIKE clockwork! Hell, I almost started a count down to the comment....
No spin my dear, he has CLEARLY showed he can hit home runs by the ton. "THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES"
IF it ain't according to Sandra, it's spin.
You are as predictable as the sunrise!
Let's just agree to disagree....
You should work at an amusement park.
Sandra
The Randy Valardes of the world were never power hitters to begin with.
'Roids aren't going to turn a slap-hitter into a home run guy, but it will turn a deep fly ball hitter into a home run guy.
So what? They're not that good. PEDs don't help players put the sweet spot of the bat on the ball. They make the ball go farther when solid contact is made. Bonds was a great player before PEDs. McGwire would have been a rich man's Rob Deer.
Rios did hit 26 HRs in the PCL in 98.
This thread is about McGwire though.
If the numbers themselves aren't stark enough for you, how about a graph of those numbers?? What's the saying, a picture is worth a thousand words??
Look at the numbers before '93 when he was clean and after '94 when he was dirty.
