NHL 2013 Season

[Jimbo]

Overtime wins are fine. I think the league should dump the shoot out. It's just a crappy way to decide the outcome of a game.
I say, play a 10 minute OT with one 2 minute commercial break. If at the end of the 10 min OT, it's a tie.

AMEN !
I'd even go to a standard period of 20 minutes and then a tie.

 

[dishcomm]

I did some checking and the Hawks record is quite amazing ...

They have 3 loses this year all in SO fashion, but they don't count in the standings for some reason.

Currently they are 21-0-3
21 Wins, 0 Losses, 3 OT Losses.

They have 14 Wins in REGULATION

Another 4 in OT
(I have no problem with OT Wins, they are part of the game Overtime that is, but still think they should play OT the way it's suppose to be played, till you have a winner.)

They have another 3 Wins that were won in a Shut Out

That accounts for their 21 wins ...

Now, lets take a closer look ... they have played 24 games, what happen to the other 3 games ?

Those other 3 games were games that they LOST Not in regulation and not in OT, but in S.O. fashion.
Thats all fine and dandy, except ....

Why is it a S.O. Win counts in the Standing, while a S.O. Loss does NOT ?

How can this team have 21 wins and 3 losses, but they don't count in the standings (they are 21-0-3), yet the Wins count in the Win column of the standings.

I have hated the way the NHL does their standing ever since they went to this stupid format.

I had a 45 minute conversation with Barry Melrose about this issue.
My point was that a loss is a loss. No matter when the loss occurs. That no "point" should be awarded for a loss. Melrose agreed with my premise but he went to maintain the League's governors nor the Player's Assn would agree to a straight Win -Loss system.
He said he saw both sides of the issue. He said it's part tradition and also the idea that if a team plays 60 minutes and does not lose the game in that time, they deserve something.
I said the League should dump the point system entirely and go Win-Loss....That's the way the chat ended.

 

[Jimbo]

They do count in the standings. The NHL simply eliminated the Shoot out Loss column when the new system of weighting Regulation and Overtime wins.
Here's how it works..If two teams are tied in points, the first criteria used to be overall wins. Then head to head. A few years ago, the NHL mandated that Shoot out wins while still 2 pts in the standings, carried less weight than reg or OT wins.
Anyway, if the two teams are tied in wins, the next criteria is REG and OT wins. The team that has more of those gets the nod for the playoff spot.

Thanks for the update !

However, my point was that the Blackhawks look like they have NO losses when you look at their record, 21-0-3, to me that would how they are undefeated ... in reality they have 3 losses, they happen to be in a SO, so they are not counted for some reason.

The SO Wins count as a WIN, so the SO Loss should count as a LOSS, after all they LOST the game.

 

[Jimbo]

I had a 45 minute conversation with Barry Melrose about this issue.
My point was that a loss is a loss. No matter when the loss occurs. That no "point" should be awarded for a loss. Melrose agreed with my premise but he went to maintain the League's governors nor the Player's Assn would agree to a straight Win -Loss system.
He said he saw both sides of the issue. He said it's part tradition and also the idea that if a team plays 60 minutes and does not lose the game in that time, they deserve something.
I said the League should dump the point system entirely and go Win-Loss....That's the way the chat ended.

THIS, is exactly why we have so many games going to OT, when teams get late in games most of the time (not all of them , but a lot) the two teams start to play for the tie, so they get a point.

I have a better idea, if the game goes to OT, the only point goes to the WINNER.

 

[Jimbo]

THIS, is exactly why we have so many games going to OT, when teams get late in games most of the time (not all of them , but a lot) the two teams start to play for the tie, so they get a point.

I have a better idea, if the game goes to OT, the only point goes to the WINNER.

Whats Melrose doing now ?

 

[dishcomm]

AMEN !
I'd even go to a standard period of 20 minutes and then a tie.

The issue is television. To add the potential of another 45 mins of broadcast time would require the additional ad time to be sold.
With TV's creaky relationship with the NHL, this would be a tough sell.

 

[dishcomm]

Whats Melrose doing now ?

He's doing stuff for NBC Sportsnet and does some stuff for CBC as well. He lives in upstate NY in the same town as a friend of mine. He has known Melrose for quite a few years.
In fact lots of former NHL'ers live in that area. I have met Greg Joly, Peter Mahovolich, Glenn Merkoski, Gord Dineen...I played Golf with Mahovolich and Joly a couple years ago.

 

[dishcomm]

Thanks for the update !

However, my point was that the Blackhawks look like they have NO losses when you look at their record, 21-0-3, to me that would how they are undefeated ... in reality they have 3 losses, they happen to be in a SO, so they are not counted for some reason.

The SO Wins count as a WIN, so the SO Loss should count as a LOSS, after all they LOST the game.

Precisely ,y point made with my chat with Melrose. My thinking again is a loss is a loss.
Remeber Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory..."You LOSE. You get NOTHING. Good DAY sir."

 

[dishcomm]

THIS, is exactly why we have so many games going to OT, when teams get late in games most of the time (not all of them , but a lot) the two teams start to play for the tie, so they get a point.

I have a better idea, if the game goes to OT, the only point goes to the WINNER.

That suggestion had come up. So was giving 3 pts to a regulation win, two for OT and one for a shoot out.
There are so many tweaks that could be done. But silly traditions held by the leagues Board of Governors and quite frankly a majority of fans in Canada have this obsession with the point system.
I got into it with a few of them on TSN.ca's discussion board. Their contention is "it's a 'Tie Point'"....I referred to them as "sticks in the mud"...

 

[dishcomm]

THIS, is exactly why we have so many games going to OT, when teams get late in games most of the time (not all of them , but a lot) the two teams start to play for the tie, so they get a point.

I have a better idea, if the game goes to OT, the only point goes to the WINNER.

I see it. But you'll get hurled at for being politically incorrect. Screw 'em. Something has got to be done.

 

[Jimbo]

That suggestion had come up. So was giving 3 pts to a regulation win, two for OT and one for a shoot out.
There are so many tweaks that could be done. But silly traditions held by the leagues Board of Governors and quite frankly a majority of fans in Canada have this obsession with the point system.
I got into it with a few of them on TSN.ca's discussion board. Their contention is "it's a 'Tie Point'"....I referred to them as "sticks in the mud"...

First think I would do if I could would be to ELIMINATE the SO. Period.

of course the casual fan LIKES it because its breakaways ... sorry, but breakaways only happen once in a while in a real game.

I say, WHY do we have to change the rules for OT and after, lets keep playing the SAME game.

That would be like the NFL going to OT and having a FG kicking contest.

 

[JAG72]

Tonight is the second game of the back to back games for the CBJ and Red Wings. Not sure why it happened but both teams will wear their home jerseys on the other teams ice. It was strange seeing the Red Wings in red yesterday at Nationwide Arena.

 

[Jimbo]

Tonight is the second game of the back to back games for the CBJ and Red Wings. Not sure why it happened but both teams will wear their home jerseys on the other teams ice. It was strange seeing the Red Wings in red yesterday at Nationwide Arena.

Jackets clearly have the Wings number this year.

 

[JAG72]

Jackets clearly have the Wings number this year.

9 out of 10 points is pretty good. Only loss was the first home game of the season and that was lost in a SO.

 

[Jimbo]

9 out of 10 points is pretty good. Only loss was the first home game of the season and that was lost in a SO.

9 out of 10 is better than Pretty good ...

Making up for the past, perhaps ?

This shows how truly BAD the Wings are the last few years.

When Lindstrom retired and others didn't come back and the 2-3 BIG stars on the FA market passed, you could see it was going to be a very trying season... will probably continue to be that way for several years, till the next true star comes onboard.

 

[JAG72]

Is it how bad the Red Wings are or how much improvef the Jackets are? They sure have a long way to go but their work effort has improved by 200% thus year. To many times in the past they would give up after falling behind. This year they have been playing a full 60 minutes most of the games.

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[Jimbo]

Is it how bad the Red Wings are or how much improvef the Jackets are? They sure have a long way to go but their work effort has improved by 200% thus year. To many times in the past they would give up after falling behind. This year they have been playing a full 60 minutes most of the games.

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Both, but the Wings are doing thier best to consistently play POOR ... wondering if they will put it together enough to make the playoffs this year ?

Wings playing poor against others as well, not just the Jackets.

 

[JAG72]

Both, but the Wings are doing thier best to consistently play POOR ... wondering if they will put it together enough to make the playoffs this year ?

Wings playing poor against others as well, not just the Jackets.

The Wings have been playing good enough to make the playoffs through the first half of the season. Currently they are in 5th place within the conference. You can forget about them winning the division but I think they won't have any issue at least making the playoffs.

 

[cybok0]

Pretty good for the Pens so far. Notice only one team hasn't lost in OT yet.

Eastern Conference 	GP 	W 	L 	OT 	PTS 	ROW 	GF 	GA 	HOME 	AWAY 	L10
	Montréal 	26 	17 	5 	4 	38 	16 	84 	66 	8-3-2 	9-2-2 	6-1-3
	Pittsburgh 	26 	18 	8 	0 	36 	16 	97 	76 	7-4-0 	11-4-0 	7-3-0
	Carolina 	24 	14 	9 	1 	29 	14 	75 	69 	7-5-0 	7-4-1 	6-4-0
	Boston 	        23 	17 	3 	3 	37 	14 	70 	50 	8-2-1 	9-1-2 	8-1-1
	Toronto 	26 	15 	10 	1 	31 	15 	79 	70 	6-5-1 	9-5-0 	5-4-1
	Ottawa 	        26 	13 	8 	5 	31 	10 	61 	54 	9-1-3 	4-7-2 	5-2-3
	New Jersey 	26 	12 	9 	5 	29 	10 	65 	75 	8-3-2 	4-6-3 	3-6-1
	NY Rangers 	24 	13 	9 	2 	28 	11 	63 	58 	9-5-1 	4-4-1 	5-4-1
	Winnipeg 	25 	12 	11 	2 	26 	12 	63 	74 	4-6-0 	8-5-2 	6-3-1
	NY Islanders 	26 	11 	12 	3 	25 	9 	77 	88 	5-8-2 	6-4-1 	5-3-2
	Philadelphia 	27 	12 	14 	1 	25 	12 	75 	82 	8-4-1 	4-10-0 	5-5-0
	Washington 	24 	10 	13 	1 	21 	10 	69 	72 	7-6-0 	3-7-1 	5-5-0
	Tampa Bay 	25 	10 	14 	1 	21 	10 	85 	79 	6-6-1 	4-8-0 	2-8-0
	Buffalo 	26 	9 	14 	3 	21 	6 	67 	83 	4-6-1 	5-8-2 	3-5-2
	Florida 	26 	7 	13 	6 	20 	6 	64 	98 	4-6-5 	3-7-1 	2-6-2

Western Conference 	GP 	W 	L 	OT 	PTS 	ROW 	GF 	GA 	HOME 	AWAY 	L10
	Chicago 	26 	21 	2 	3 	45 	18 	85 	58 	11-1-1 	10-1-2 	8-2-0
	Anaheim 	24 	18 	3 	3 	39 	14 	85 	62 	11-1-0 	7-2-3 	7-1-2
	Minnesota 	24 	13 	9 	2 	28 	10 	58 	59 	9-2-1 	4-7-1 	7-3-0
	Los Angeles 	24 	14 	8 	2 	30 	13 	71 	60 	9-2-1 	5-6-1 	8-2-0
	Detroit 	26 	12 	9 	5 	29 	10 	68 	66 	9-4-3 	3-5-2 	5-3-2
	Vancouver 	24 	11 	7 	6 	28 	9 	66 	67 	6-3-3 	5-4-3 	3-4-3
	San Jose 	24 	11 	7 	6 	28 	7 	56 	57 	7-1-4 	4-6-2 	4-3-3
	St. Louis 	25 	13 	10 	2 	28 	11 	76 	77 	5-5-1 	8-5-1 	4-5-1
	Phoenix 	25 	12 	10 	3 	27 	9 	72 	72 	9-5-1 	3-5-2 	5-4-1
	Dallas 	        24 	12 	10 	2 	26 	11 	67 	67 	5-4-1 	7-6-1 	5-4-1
	Nashville 	25 	10 	9 	6 	26 	8 	54 	61 	6-2-4 	4-7-2 	3-6-1
	Colorado 	24 	10 	10 	4 	24 	9 	62 	69 	8-2-1 	2-8-3 	4-3-3
	Columbus 	26 	10 	12 	4 	24 	7 	61 	72 	7-4-3 	3-8-1 	6-2-2
	Edmonton 	25 	9 	11 	5 	23 	7 	60 	76 	4-4-2 	5-7-3 	3-5-2
	Calgary 	24 	9 	11 	4 	22 	9 	64 	82 	6-5-2 	3-6-2 	4-5-1

 

[Jimbo]

The Wings have been playing good enough to make the playoffs through the first half of the season. Currently they are in 5th place within the conference. You can forget about them winning the division but I think they won't have any issue at least making the playoffs.

I'm not convinced ...