NCAA Football 2014 season

[Jimbo]

They big 10 has been in this position of power as well. They simply are not now, by a long shot.

Perception some times is based on reality.

But the BT hasn't been prominant as a conference in what, 20 years now ?
They always had a few great/ very good teams each year, but most of the resat were no better or worse than the other half of the sec or any other conference.

 

[Ronnie-]

As to the big games being played the first couple of weeks, imo, come to play. It should not matter if it is week one or 12.

If they are not ready it's either the coach doesn't have them prepared or they were not as good as the other team to begin with.

 

[Ronnie-]

But the BT hasn't been prominant as a conference in what, 20 years now ?
They always had a few great/ very good teams each year, but most of the resat were no better or worse than the other half of the sec or any other conference.

The have surely fallen as of late but has it been 20 years really? Doesn't seem it to me.

The sec has had more ranked teams year in and year out than any other conference, so while they also have their average teams, they also generally have based on pollsters more better ones as well.

Now you may take exception to the polls sometimes, as do i, but the truth of the matter is that is what we have.

They all get judged based more or less on the same thing, and as year end head to head shows against other confernces, it's often right.

 

[Jimbo]

As to the big games being played the first couple of weeks, imo, come to play. It should not matter if it is week one or 12.

If they are not ready it's either the coach doesn't hand them prepared or they were not that good to begin with.

I disagree ...
The reason the 1st 2-3 games are a crap shoot for most are you are potentially putting in freshman that have never played at this level, often times Soph's as well.

I cannot say that Barnett was not ready, he has been excellent since the Va Tech game, but that was his very first Big game played.
Bucks also have 4 new starters on the O Line, that also had a big part of the first few games outcome.
Now if the colleges had a Pre Season like the NFL, you might not have that big of a difference.

 

[Ronnie-]

I disagree ...
The reason the 1st 2-3 games are a crap shoot for most are you are potentially putting in freshman that have never played at this level, often times Soph's as well.

I cannot say that Barnett was not ready, he has been excellent since the Va Tech game, but that was his very first Big game played.
Bucks also have 4 new starters on the O Line, that also had a big part of the first few games outcome.
Now if the colleges had a Pre Season like the NFL, you might not have that big of a difference.

They all start with the same disadvantages, come to play.

As I said that lies on the coach to prepare them.

If he cant, maybe the other team is just better.

 

[Jimbo]

Now if Ohio State plays Michigan State in a month and gets blown out, I'll be very discouraged.

 

[Ronnie-]

Now if Ohio State plays Michigan State in a month and gets blown out, I'll be very discouraged.

I'll be pulling for the buckeyes in that one.

 

[Jimbo]

The have surely fallen as of late but has it been 20 years really? Doesn't seem it to me.

The sec has had more ranked teams year in and year out than any other conference, so while they also have their average teams, they also generally have based on pollsters more better ones as well.

Now you may take exception to the polls sometimes, as do i, but the truth of the matter is that is what we have.

They all get judged based more or less on the same thing, and as year end head to head shows against other confernces, it's often right.

Well, the BSc has been going since , what, '97, Ohio State has always done well enough to get into the Big games, much better than the rest of the BT teams, but the results haven't really been good, that said, OSU now plays sec offense with a Defense that appears to be coming around nicely.

Unfortunately, the Big 4 games this year will be the only ones anyone will pay attention to.

 

[osu1991]

The have surely fallen as of late but has it been 20 years really? Doesn't seem it to me.

The sec has had more ranked teams year in and year out than any other conference, so while they also have their average teams, they also generally have based on pollsters more better ones as well.

Now you may take exception to the polls sometimes, as do i, but the truth of the matter is that is what we have.

They all get judged based more or less on the same thing, and as year end head to head shows against other confernces, it's often right.

The year end head to head in bowl games doesn't mean crap as most don't care if they are there or not except for the title game. That was the excuse for Bama and Florida getting squashed in the Sugar Bowl, yet it apparently doesn't apply to other conferences. That is part of the downfall of the BCS pitting whatever the presumptive 1 and 2 were against each other. The other games became meaningless, nothing more than an expensive holiday trip for the teams.

 

[Ronnie-]

And you my friend have just explained why the big 10 is perceived the way it is.

The sec often has two bcs teams, and some years, if not for limits would have more.

It is what it is based on common rankings and criteria.

 

[Jimbo]

I'll be pulling for the buckeyes in that one.

I certainly will, but if the Bucks do lose, it will help the BT as it will keep MSU up high in the rankings.

If OSU beats MSU, the Bucks will move up, but not nearly enough to crack the top 5-10, i don't think.
I really don't think OSU has the schedule to move up into the the 5-8 area ... now that they have been dropped so low.

Now had they only dropped to say 14 or there abouts when they lost, like they should have, then Yes, they would be in the 8-12 range now.

In all honesty, I think when OSU lost to Va Tech, they dropped a whole lot more than they should of because the pollsters figured that without Braxton Miller the Bucks would be done this year.
Now that they are seeing that Barrett is actually better for the Bucks, hopefully they realize that and move them up to where they should be.

 

[Ronnie-]

The year end head to head in bowl games doesn't mean crap as most don't care if they are there or not except for the title game. That was the excuse for Bama and Florida getting squashed in the Sugar Bowl, yet it apparently doesn't apply to other conferences. That is part of the downfall of the BCS pitting whatever the presumptive 1 and 2 were against each other. The other games became meaningless, nothing more than an expensive holiday trip for the teams.

To be fair, and ill come across as a homer in this, in both instances if bama being in the sugar bowl for those losses, the alternative was the bcs championship.

That's a let down, sugar bowl or not.
I'd accept the same excuse if you can find one similar from another team.

However they should have been prepared and played better. They didn't.

It happens.

 

[Jimbo]

And you my friend have just explained why the big 10 is perceived the way it is.

The sec often has two bcs teams, and some years, if not for limits would have more.

It is what it is based on common rankings and criteria.

I can't wait to see the ratings and the outcry the first time they try to have 3 or more in the 4 team playoffs.

They ratings would be terrible as most of the country would not watch or care at all.

 

[Ronnie-]

I certainly will, but if the Bucks do lose, it will help the BT as it will keep MSU up high in the rankings.

If OSU beats MSU, the Bucks will move up, but not nearly enough to crack the top 5-10, i don't think.
I really don't think OSU has the schedule to move up into the the 5-8 area ... now that they have been dropped so low.

Now had they only dropped to say 14 or there abouts when they lost, like they should have, then Yes, they would be in the 8-12 range now.

In all honesty, I think when OSU lost to Va Tech, they dropped a whole lot more than they should of because the pollsters figured that without Braxton Miller the Bucks would be done this year.
Now that they are seeing that Barrett is actually better for the Bucks, hopefully they realize that and move them up to where they should be.

I honestly think osu should be around 20 ish. Give or take 5 either way.

With a win against Michigan state assuming both win till then putting them around 12-15.

I honestly just didn't see them as being as good as the pollsters (see, I find fault there too).

 

[Jimbo]

To be fair, and ill come across as a homer in this, in both instances if bama being in the sugar bowl for those losses, the alternative was the bcs championship.

That's a let down, sugar bowl or not.
I'd accept the same excuse if you can find one similar from another team.

However they should have been prepared and played better. They didn't.

It happens.

'06, Michigan and Ohio State were the 2 best teams ... we all know, the sec cried and #3 Florida got it, that shouldn't have happened.

What did Michigan do in thier bowl game that year ?

 

[Ronnie-]

I can't wait to see the ratings and the outcry the first time they try to have 3 or more in the 4 team playoffs.

They ratings would be terrible as most of the country would not watch or care at all.

I'd rather have the best teams play, no matter the conference.

I mean if not, why have a playoff?

 

[dvrexpander]

I'm hoping it is GT and FSU in the ACC champ...

Lol I don't I'm pulling for GT to lose two ACC games and for VT to win out and play FSU

 

[Ronnie-]

'06, Michigan and Ohio State were the 2 best teams ... we all know, the sec cried and #3 Florida got it, that shouldn't have happened.

What did Michigan do in thier bowl game that year ?

They got spanked best i remember.


What did Florida do in theirs? I am sure that you know.

And Florida had the toughest schedule in the nation based on most rankings that season.

That said, I'd not have cried had it been osu and Michigan. It was a valid argument. At least based on before hand info.

 

[Jimbo]

I honestly think osu should be around 20 ish. Give or take 5 either way.

With a win against Michigan state assuming both win till then putting them around 12-15.

I honestly just didn't see them as being as good as the pollsters (see, I find fault there too).

Sorry, but your way off and obviously Not watching them play .. (I understand this as they are not your team or conference).
The other drawback the Bucks have is the polling people don't care for Urban Meyer.

I loved his style at Florida and Now we are finally seeing that same type of offense, it took awhile as they had to get the right players in there ... Yes, they have an offense that can play with ANY sec tea, bar NONE.

Defensively, they are coming along, just now starting to get the aggressive D that Urban loves, think Florida in '06, he's got the same kind of players there now, problem is alot of them are in thier first year, so it takes time to gell and learn.
Once this D gets established, they will simply replace a player when one graduates, like the Top sec teams do.

 

[Ronnie-]

I actually have watched them some, admitting not all exclusively, and I've just not been that impressed.


They may get there, I just don't see it yet.


Going to bed though. Night all, and thanks for the discussion jimbo, I've enjoyed it.