NCAA Football 2008-09 Season

[risnuff]

Look first of all, I could not care less about the ACC.

I'm a SEC fan first and foremost. Just pointing out the absurdity of a few here that try to build up the Big Least by pointing towards the ACC.

Attention:Sabresrule, the BCS wins were factored into the system as a matter of fact it was counted doubly, along with AP top 25 rankings.

So the fact you point to most, was doubled in importance to every other category with the exception of AP Top 25 Rankings and the Big least still finishes a distant last.

ACC is far better. Not even close

Big least is a doormat, nothing more.

Yes the ACC is better than the Big East. (Big Least isn't clever by the way, neither is Leastleftovers as much as you probably think both are just hysterical) Get back to me when the ACC wins a BCS game.

Mandel created a formula that says the Big East the weakest conference. That's fine. He crunched the numbers and that's the way he sees it. The way I see it, the Big East champion, who won the majority of their games against the other teams in the conference, can go to a BCS game and beat the champion of another BCS conference, who similarly beat the majority of teams in their conference and/or won the conference championship game. The ACC champion can only seem to do that once every 10 seasons.

Now somehow, despite the ACC champion constantly blowing it in the big game, they're the ones who deserve an autobid and the Big East, who in their current eight team format have won their BCS game all three times. The BCS is flawed, definitely, but the six conferences chosen to get an automatic bid are the right ones, and there should be six of them.

 

[SabresRule]

Get back to me when the ACC wins a BCS game.

the Big East champion, who won the majority of their games against the other teams in the conference, can go to a BCS game and beat the champion of another BCS conference, who similarly beat the majority of teams in their conference and/or won the conference championship game. The ACC champion can only seem to do that once every 10 seasons.

Now somehow, despite the ACC champion constantly blowing it in the big game, they're the ones who deserve an autobid

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You're speaking my language!

ACC:

Always
Choking
Colosally important games

 

[anders5189]

How do you account for the fact that former BE schools used to play ACC teams in bowl games? Example: FSU beat VT in the 99 Sugar Bowl, Miami beat FSU in the 03 Orange Bowl, and BC beat UNC in the 04 muffler bowl. Given that all these teams are now in the ACC, does the ACC suck because they lost some of these games? This is why I say that evaulating conferences simply based on bowl results is stupid. At least Mandel tried to incorporate all relevant information into the calculation, and trust me he is no ACC homer.

 

[mattsarz]

How do you account for the fact that former BE schools used to play ACC teams in bowl games? Example: FSU beat VT in the 99 Sugar Bowl, Miami beat FSU in the 03 Orange Bowl, and BC beat UNC in the 04 muffler bowl. Given that all these teams are now in the ACC, does the ACC suck because they lost some of these games? This is why I say that evaulating conferences simply based on bowl results is stupid. At least Mandel tried to incorporate all relevant information into the calculation, and trust me he is no ACC homer.

Those results should count for the Big East during that period of time. That was the conference those schools played in. Mandel drew a hard line, unlike the BCS which did give the Big East credit for Louisville's final season in C-USA & BC's final Big East season for the ACC.

Should the MWC claim BYU's national title in 1984 or the WAC, where they won the title?

Here's one that I found as a headscratcher. When they first started the MWC's TV network a couple years ago, they had "classic MWC games". One of the games was Fresno St. vs. TCU from 1999. The problem with that was neither team played in the MWC back then as both were schools left behind in the WAC (often termed as WAC-offs).

 

[Jimbo]

Here is my personal ranking of the conferences:

1. SEC (I won't dispute that)

2. Big 12 (They have three national titles since their formation in 1996)

3. Pac-10 (Again, more titles than the ACC)

4. Big East (They are better than the early BCS days)

5. Big 10 (This conference has taken a massive hit in the last few years.)

6. ACC (1 BCS win in 11 years.)

You really feel the Big East is better than the Big Ten ???

You must have put that in there to see what others had to say , right ?

In the Pre season polls the Big east has 2 teams, 8. West Virginia and 21. S. Florida, thats it.
While the Big Ten has 5 at the start.
Now we know that the Pre season is just a rough idea, but they have to have somewhere to start.
Personally, I would not rank Michigan in the top 25 at the start, until they win some games.

Jimbo

 

[hancox]

It's awfully close. The downside of the Big10 right now is:

1) The bottom half of the Big10 is just hideous.
2) The tOSU losses, especially, give the air of the top bunch being pretty overrated.

 

[HD MM]

Here is my personal ranking of the conferences:

1. SEC (I won't dispute that)

2. Big 12 (They have three national titles since their formation in 1996)

3. Pac-10 (Again, more titles than the ACC)

4. Big East (They are better than the early BCS days)

5. Big 10 (This conference has taken a massive hit in the last few years.)

6. ACC (1 BCS win in 11 years.)

Huh? Sorry Sabres, but you dropped the ball big time with this assessment. The Big 10 has gone to 3 National Championships in the last 6 years, while winning 1 (OSU). In that same time frame, the Big 12 went to the National Championship 3 times as well, but lost all 3 times! How do you rank the Big 12 so far ahead of the Big 10?

Plus, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa and Illinois are consistently ranked in the top 10-25 teams in the nation! No way in hell the Big East and Pac 10 are ahead of the Big Ten.

 

[Mike0616]

Ok, there is only about 3 weeks til practice starts so lets get the chatter started. GO WILDCATS!!!!!

Have you got your reservations yet for Nashville? When is the Harmonica Bowl being played this year? Sure hope that we can make that bowl again, would hate to play in a real bowl and get stomped by a decent team, ya know.

Do you think that the wildkaNts will be able to finish as high as 6-6 again this year? Was the AD able to schedule all the weak teams again this year to insure a non-losing season again? Why not schedule teams like Ky School for the Blind, I hear they are going to field a team this year.

 

[Mike0616]

Kentucky is #72

Hopefully, they will finish the season ranked that high.

 

[mdonnelly]

Huh? Sorry Sabres, but you dropped the ball big time with this assessment. The Big 10 has gone to 3 National Championships in the last 6 years, while winning 1 (OSU). In that same time frame, the Big 12 went to the National Championship 3 times as well, but lost all 3 times! How do you rank the Big 12 so far ahead of the Big 10?...

Did I miss something? Did Texas get their 2005 title stripped from them?

 

[HD MM]

Did I miss something? Did Texas get their 2005 title stripped from them?

Woops. 1-2 the last 6 years. Just like the Big-10. My mistake.

 

[Mike0616]

I don't see an SEC team making the title game.

If Ohio State makes it back, they'll face Missouri.

That is what it is looking like.

The USCs, Floridas, and even my Jawja Dawgs have as much chance of making the title game as Notre Dame.

Sorry, sportsfans, but its going to be a Big-11 (they say 10, but those folks can't count, so how good can they REALLY be?) vs. Big-12 championship game.

At least we can take consolation in that it ought to be one hell of a game!

 

[mdonnelly]

Woops. 1-2 the last 6 years. Just like the Big-10. My mistake.

If you wanna go back to the beginning of the BCS in 1998:

SEC: 4-0
Big-12: 2-3
Big-10: 1-2
ACC: 1-2
Big-East: 1-2
Pac-10: 1-1

And that's how I rate the conferences, from top to bottom.

 

[Mike0616]

If you wanna go back to the beginning of the BCS in 1998:

SEC: 4-0
Big-12: 2-3
Big-10: 1-2
ACC: 1-2
Big-East: 1-2
Pac-10: 1-1

And that's how I rate the conferences, from top to bottom.

So why not do it by percentage of wins?

That would align as follows:

SEC = 100%

Pac-10 = 50%

Big 12 = 40%

Big 10 = 33%
Big East = 33%
ACC = 33%


This method would only serve to reward the Pac-10 for playing in the championship game fewer times. Not sure what that means, but makes the Pac-10 fans happier, I would bet.

These stats are only history and have NO BEARING on future performance. Anyone who is foolish enough to think that whenever the SEC manages to get a team into the game that the team is a sure-fire winner is a fool. Also, how soon we forget that there were lots of people who thought Florida should not have even been in the championship game last year, in fact, you would not have to look far to find some that still hold that view.

How do you correct that and find out which conference is really has the best team? The solution is very easy, establish a play-off system just like basketball has. Replace the teams in the scads of second-rate bowls with the playoff teams and have some REAL games, not a bunch of 6-6 non-winners.

 

[mdonnelly]

So why not do it by percentage of wins?

That would align as follows:

SEC = 100%

Pac-10 = 50%

Big 12 = 40%

Big 10 = 33%
Big East = 33%
ACC = 33%


This method would only serve to reward the Pac-10 for playing in the championship game fewer times. Not sure what that means, but makes the Pac-10 fans happier, I would bet....

I'd really prefer to rank them by number of appearances. That would put the Big-12 first, Pac-10 last. Without USC, the Pac-10 is a bunch of losers.

 

[Derwin0]

Without USC, the Pac-10 is a bunch of losers.

And for how long was that true of Miami and the Big East.

Hell, Miami is the only reason they were a BCS league in the first place.

 

[david1314]

Anyone ranking the Big Least anything but #6 is a prime example of homerisn run amok.(IMO)

There is no debate. It's been settled currently . Could change in the future.

1.SEC
2.??
3.??
4.??
5.??
6.Big Least

Occassionally other Conferences will be in an"up cycle" and make moves toward the top.
Also not all years, is the SEC "Hands down the best"

There is plenty of qualty football played across this land and in multiple conferences.

At no time though has any conference dropped in talent or stature to be anywhere close to supplanting the Big Least as #6.

Non SEC Conferences are far closer to having respective play kick up a notch or two and be level with the SEC than having play deterioate five or six rungs to drop down to Big East levels.(IMO)

A truely great display of Gamemanship and the skilled hands of Mike Tranghese in keeping the Big East as a BCS auto invite.

Nothing they do on the field warrants the invite whatsoever.

Tip of the cap to Mr. Mike Tranghese. Job well done Sir!

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next contract governing the BCS especially with Mr. Tranghese set to retire before the next contract is completed.

The only two reasons the Big East has retained their auto invite are the erstwhile skills of the Conference Commissioner and the NY/NorthEast media markets that come with the schools.

Also for the Big East fans here, let me make it clear, I'm talkng about the Conference as a whole product.

West Virginia is a very good program and can rightly expect to be one of the 10-15 best teams in the country most years. I also think South Florida is a program definitely on the rise.

 

[SabresRule]

Huh? Sorry Sabres, but you dropped the ball big time with this assessment. The Big 10 has gone to 3 National Championships in the last 6 years, while winning 1 (OSU). In that same time frame, the Big 12 went to the National Championship 3 times as well, but lost all 3 times! How do you rank the Big 12 so far ahead of the Big 10?

Plus, Michigan, Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa and Illinois are consistently ranked in the top 10-25 teams in the nation! No way in hell the Big East and Pac 10 are ahead of the Big Ten.

To tell the truth, that was on the fly to respond to others.

In reality, I could care less about whether the Big East is better than the Big 10.

I only care about two things:

1. The Big East is far superior to the ACC

2. Big-10 and Pac-12 are superior to the ACC.

I really don't hate the Big 10, HD. I just refuse to believe that two conferences that have combined to win 4 national titles since the BCS began in 1998 (USC, Texas, and Oklahoma) could be ranked behind a conference with 1 BCS win in 11 years.

 

[Ramy]

Have you got your reservations yet for Nashville? When is the Harmonica Bowl being played this year? Sure hope that we can make that bowl again, would hate to play in a real bowl and get stomped by a decent team, ya know.

Do you think that the wildkaNts will be able to finish as high as 6-6 again this year? Was the AD able to schedule all the weak teams again this year to insure a non-losing season again? Why not schedule teams like Ky School for the Blind, I hear they are going to field a team this year.

They play easy non-conference teams because of all the good teams they have to play in the SEC. They play Louisville every year and they are no slouch.

 

[mattsarz]

They play easy non-conference teams because of all the good teams they have to play in the SEC. They play Louisville every year and they are no slouch.

And UK decided they needed tuneups starting last year before playing UofL. I distinctly remember some of the talk from AD Mitch Barnhart about not wanting to play UofL to start the season anymore when it was played at UK.


Then again, it worked last year.