NBA Lockout thread

[salsadancer7]

30 owners will never agree on anything (neither will all the players), but the vast majority want a hard cap. That's probably still one of the biggest sticking points between the owners and the players.

Sandra

I agree to disagree.

 

[SandraC]

OK back to the facts. The owners are claiming losses of $300 million per year. True? False? Not sure...but that's what they claim. I don't remember hearing the players challenging that number so much...but I could be wrong.

Word is, 8 teams MADE a total of $150 million, and 22 teams LOST a total of $450 million. That's a serious discrepancy.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

OK back to the facts. The owners are claiming losses of $300 million per year. True? False? Not sure...but that's what they claim. I don't remember hearing the players challenging that number so much...but I could be wrong.

Word is, 8 teams MADE a total of $150 million, and 22 teams LOST a total of $450 million. That's a serious discrepancy.


Sandra

The only fact that we know of is that the players are locked out by the owners, the players get 57% of revenue and the owners, like at every impasse, is claiming poverty/losing money. Now, the only real way to prove that is to open the books, something the owners won't do...and a fanstastic ploy because unless court ordered, they don't have to..and truth be told, I would not blame them.

Truth be told...LOL...we wil never really know the truth.

 

[SandraC]

The only fact that we know of is that the players are locked out by the owners, the players get 57% of revenue and the owners, like at every impasse, is claiming poverty/losing money. Now, the only real way to prove that is to open the books, something the owners won't do...and a fanstastic ploy because unless court ordered, they don't have to..and truth be told, I would not blame them.

Truth be told...LOL...we wil never really know the truth.

It's still the basis being used to debate/negotiate 57/43, 50/50, or whatever else they come up with.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

...interesting and a little depressing news for the coming NBA season:

The players, who received 57 percent of basketball-related income in the last year of the expired agreement, said they made a new proposal of 53 percent of BRI on Tuesday -- a concession which they said would have given owners back more than $1 billion over six years.

According to the players, the owners countered with 47 percent, a slight increase from the 46 percent they had previously offered.

When the owners offered 47 percent, "that pretty much ended (the meeting)," executive director Billy Hunter said.

The two sides, in what Stern called a "very very small group," discussed whether a 50-50 split of basketball-related income was possible -- and that if so, both sides would go back to their constituencies with that plan.

"While we were in the process of doing that ... we were advised by the players that that would not be acceptable to them," Stern said Tuesday. "At that point it didn't seem to make a lot of sense to continue."

Would the owners have accepted a 50-50 split? "Adam and I felt comfortable and confident we could report to the players we could move to the next subject," Stern said.

"I was shocked (the players) didn't go for 50-50," a source on the owners' side told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard. "That was a gutsy move on the part of the players."

But sources told Broussard that Stern, Silver and San Antonio Spurs owner Peter Holt, in a small-group meeting with Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Derek Fisher and union lawyer Jeffrey Kessler -- really offered the players 49 percent of BRI, with the understanding that it would actually become 51 percent based on incentives related to the projected growth of the league.

The players countered by asking for 51 percent, which would increase to 53 percent based on those same incentives. The owners rejected that.

After making concessions on basketball revenue, the players entered the last several negotiating sessions looking for the owners to do the same.

Stern said Tuesday that the owners did just that, removing their demand for a hard salary cap, agreeing to maintain guaranteed contracts, and deciding not to ask for rollbacks on current salaries.

A battle of egos....

 

[salsadancer7]

The bottom line is money. And one side, who had a huge disadvantage(the players at 57% of the revenue) has now conceded to give up 7% of their portion. I assure you that NO OWNER wants to either pay a hard cap nor do the owner that would go over wants to pay some of their hard earned revenue to a team that 'cannot swim with the rest of us'.

To me, it comes down to total revenue and who gives up/or gets the most....the rest is small potatos.

As I thought, the whole hard cap talk was a ploy.... to get to the revenue discrepancy...

.... removing their demand for a hard salary cap, agreeing to maintain guaranteed contracts, and deciding not to ask for rollbacks on current salaries.

 

[SandraC]

Not looking good. Book your flight, Kobe, this one has legs.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

Not looking good. Book your flight, Kobe, this one has legs.


Sandra

Now it's a matter of who can stand to lose the least....1st one to flinch is gonna give in.

 

[SandraC]

Now it's a matter of who can stand to lose the least....1st one to flinch is gonna give in.

Rhetoric aside, sad to say I saw this coming a long time ago. Typical negotiation that comes down to a battle of wills, and which side can stay 'unified' the longest.

There are owners who want a quick settlement (probablty the eight owners who made money!), and some who don't. There will be players who can afford to sit a long time, and players who can't.

If I had to make a prediction, serious negotiations will start in Dec/Jan, so that a season can start in Jan/Feb. There is a chance they'll start before that, and a chance there will be no season at all...like the NHL in 2006.

Unfortunately at the moment this feels like NHL 2006 all over again. Hopefully not.


Sandra

 

[Hart5150]

Makes me sick to see Kevin Garnett there, I believe only A-Rod has made more money from professional sports contracts. What an a-hole.

 

[salsadancer7]

Makes me sick to see Kevin Garnett there, I believe only A-Rod has made more money from professional sports contracts. What an a-hole.

DUDE, why? He ask to be locked out? NONE of the players did! AND, this is the SAME agreement that the owners signed in the LAST CBA. YES, things have changed...but if they were REALLY great business men...they should have seen this coming. Which in the end, they are not. The agreed to this the same way they offer dumb contracts to guys that are either over the hill or overrated...reckless and stupid. The owners have NO ONE to blame but the reflection in the mirror.

 

[Hart5150]

DUDE, why? He ask to be locked out? NONE of the players did! AND, this is the SAME agreement that the owners signed in the LAST CBA. YES, things have changed...but if they were REALLY great business men...they should have seen this coming. Which in the end, they are not. The agreed to this the same way they offer dumb contracts to guys that are either over the hill or overrated...reckless and stupid. The owners have NO ONE to blame but the reflection in the mirror.

So you think collusion should be legal in pro sports? Than we agree on that.

 

[Hart5150]

Rhetoric aside, sad to say I saw this coming a long time ago. Typical negotiation that comes down to a battle of wills, and which side can stay 'unified' the longest.

There are owners who want a quick settlement (probablty the eight owners who made money!), and some who don't. There will be players who can afford to sit a long time, and players who can't.

If I had to make a prediction, serious negotiations will start in Dec/Jan, so that a season can start in Jan/Feb. There is a chance they'll start before that, and a chance there will be no season at all...like the NHL in 2006.

Unfortunately at the moment this feels like NHL 2006 all over again. Hopefully not.


Sandra

Although the season was lost it was the best thing that ever happened to the NHL, the game came back better than ever. Maybe the same thing could happen for the NBA. The NBA has the worst competitive balance out of any sport, that really needs to change.

 

[salsadancer7]

So you think collusion should be legal in pro sports? Than we agree on that.

But the problem is the inconsistancy. One minute the owners state that "salaries are killing us....", next minute, the Memphis Grizzlies give Rudy Gay Kobe, Lebron, Dirk money...! The owners, in ALL professional sports, are always signing dumbass contracts...and then they expect the players to bail their asses out.

They cannot control themselves...there is no accountability with them.

 

[SandraC]

So you think collusion should be legal in pro sports? Than we agree on that.

That's a good point. If the owners spend money, we're told it's their own fault. If they collectively don't spend money, we're told it's collusion and it costs them triple damages.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

That's a good point. If the owners spend money, we're told it's their own fault. If they collectively don't spend money, we're told it's collusion and it costs them triple damages.


Sandra

Then I can say...IF the owners overspend on players with bad contracts, it's the player's fault? How? The players will ask for the sky in hopes to meet in the middle. IF an owners agrees to 'the sky' ...again, HOW is the player being greed? It is part of the negociation process.

And remember, the owners are playing with THE FANS money...not his. Because when the players signs that contract he full well is not good enough to deserve, guess who pays for it...not the owner...but the fans with ticket prices, food prices and parking prices all going up.

 

[SandraC]

Then I can say...IF the owners overspend on players with bad contracts, it's the player's fault? How? The players will ask for the sky in hopes to meet in the middle. IF an owners agrees to 'the sky' ...again, HOW is the player being greed? It is part of the negociation process.

And remember, the owners are playing with THE FANS money...not his. Because when the players signs that contract he full well is not good enough to deserve, guess who pays for it...not the owner...but the fans with ticket prices, food prices and parking prices all going up.

I completely disagree with this, but I cannot continue this conversation. We'll have to agree to disagree.

As always, your opinions are appreciated.

Thank you.


Sandra

 

[salsadancer7]

LMAO! Look who agrees....

Let me re-phrase then. What I mean by the fans money is that in the end, it is the fans that pay for the the added cost of higher salaries for the players in ticket prices, concession prices and parking prices. IF that is not the case, then we, as fans have been duped for years as to why the prices for everything when it comes to fans going to games.

So THAT is where I came with "the fans money"....and nobody can dispute that.

 

[Holysmoke]

I personally would trade no NBa season if it meant no title for Lebron James. And they will be 2 years into the contract and it will be even more difficult to win next year without the ability to put a team around him while locked out.

 

[SandraC]

I personally would trade no NBa season if it meant no title for Lebron James. And they will be 2 years into the contract and it will be even more difficult to win next year without the ability to put a team around him while locked out.

LOL!!!


Sandra