Miami-FIU Brawl

[Digital Dude]

31 players received only 1 game suspensions?!?!?!?

Miami are a bunch of thug gangsters, it was great that after they trampled on Louisville's logo that Louisville beat the snot out of them.

#19 on Miami kept spiking FIU players that were on the ground and should have his scholarship revoked.

A 1 game suspension is paltry and several players should be kicked out of school IMHO.

 

[salsadancer7]

31 players received only 1 game suspensions?!?!?!?

Miami are a bunch of thug gangsters, it was great that after they trampled on Louisville's logo that Louisville beat the snot out of them.

#19 on Miami kept spiking FIU players that were on the ground and should have his scholarship revoked.

A 1 game suspension is paltry and several players should be kicked out of school IMHO.

I was at the game and though I DO AGREE a one game suspension is a slap on the hand, the WHOLE team does not consists of thugs. In FACT, the #1 team in America, Ohio State has had MORE off field troubles than UM has had. The problem is, this University had a VERY bad image for a VERY LONG TIME and they had pretty much cleaned it up.....BUT, that bad image is ALL people remember. I think it might be time the got rid of Larry Coker, cause though he SAYS he has control of the program...you can obviously see he does not.

 

[jlhugh]

The players that were caught on tape stomping and kicking and whacking the other guy with his helmet should not suit up for that team again. They need to be off the team. There is not much more chicken sh*t than kicking a guy while he is down or running up behind them with your helmet off and hit them with the helmet. 1 game is horrible. I think the refs let this game get out of hand to begin with. The coaches need to do something more than one game suspension.

 

[salsadancer7]

The players that were caught on tape stomping and kicking and whacking the other guy with his helmet should not suit up for that team again. They need to be off the team. There is not much more chicken sh*t than kicking a guy while he is down or running up behind them with your helmet off and hit them with the helmet. 1 game is horrible. I think the refs let this game get out of hand to begin with. The coaches need to do something more than one game suspension.

And I could not agree with you more...funny how the chicken sh*t NCAA does NOT get involved and tell the conferences to clean it up. Now if it was basketball, then the NCAA would be involved. The main reason the penalties are not any stiffer is because we all know that MOST of the $$$$$ that come to the universities comes from Football. And when it comes to THIS game in particular....I also blame the referrees....the game was getting a little fiesty early...and instead of throwing some flags and calling some penalties...and even throwing some people out of the game, they let it fester...and that disgusting display was the end result.

 

[Jimbo]

And I could not agree with you more...funny how the chicken sh*t NCAA does NOT get involved and tell the conferences to clean it up. Now if it was basketball, then the NCAA would be involved. The main reason the penalties are not any stiffer is because we all know that MOST of the $$$$$ that come to the universities comes from Football. And when it comes to THIS game in particular....I also blame the referrees....the game was getting a little fiesty early...and instead of throwing some flags and calling some penalties...and even throwing some people out of the game, they let it fester...and that disgusting display was the end result.

Did you all hear the garbage the wonderful radio anylist had to say, you have to hear the clip to believe it.
I would imagine he will be fired soon, if not already.....

Jimbo

 

[salsadancer7]

Did you all hear the garbage the wonderful radio anylist had to say, you have to hear the clip to believe it.
I would imagine he will be fired soon, if not already.....

Jimbo

SAYONARA....he IS gone!! Lamar is a moron....a guy that had MORE tongue than talent....and he was VERY talented!!!

 

[Jimbo]

31 players received only 1 game suspensions?!?!?!?

Miami are a bunch of thug gangsters, it was great that after they trampled on Louisville's logo that Louisville beat the snot out of them.

#19 on Miami kept spiking FIU players that were on the ground and should have his scholarship revoked.

A 1 game suspension is paltry and several players should be kicked out of school IMHO.

There will be more suspensions handed out, some have come down already ...

 

[cforrest]

2 FIU players had their scholarships yanked from what I heard. I am sure UM will be handing out some serious punishment to those that deserve it. As an alumni of UM, it was a flashback to the days prior to Butch Davis taking over. Sad that the game was marred by this incident.

 

[salsadancer7]

Like I said....I was at the game...and things were dicey BEFORE the brawl...and some blame HAS to be put on the refs. They had a chance to establish EARLY that THEY had control of the game...they didn't. Though the players HAVE to take responsibility for their actions...it should have NEVER gotten that far.

 

[salsadancer7]

One last thing....IF it were a brawl between USC and Notre Dame...would there be such a huge media push??? NOPE!! Didn't Clemson and some other university get into one almost as bad recently....? Did THAT make EVERY SINGLE NEWS SHOW in America?

 

[Paul Wozniak]

First off, this wouldn't and DIDN"T happen at Notre Dame. Second, isn't this the third fight in about the last eight games for Miami. Coker needs to be fired now. He has lost control of his team. Third, when is the NCAA going to step in? This crap has been going on for to long in that program.

 

[riffjim4069]

One last thing....IF it were a brawl between USC and Notre Dame...would there be such a huge media push???

Sorry, but you just don't see such undisciplined nonsense from a USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. It's all about leadership, discipline and character...three things currently lacking in the Miami program. Is it time to clean house at Miami, and is it time for Larry Coker and staff to go? Certainly not based solely on winning percentage. However, college football should also be about building character and developing players mentally and academically. A successful program must maintain high athletic achievement on the field, while maintaining core values of citizenship and scholarship off the field.

It's a tough call, but I feel that something needs to be done at Miami. There is a very good article about this subject in USA Today.

Just wanted to add this section from the above mentioned article:

After reading blogs by Hurricanes fans, many of them not only condone what transpired but are delighted. They believe the team has been "Cokerized," that Miami no longer plays with passion and menace as it did back in the day. The brawl, they reason, ignited dormant aggressiveness in the floundering, unranked team.

I ask you: How sick is that?

About as disturbing as listening to a replay of Lamar Thomas. The former Hurricane lost his job with Comcast Sports SouthEast after apparently losing his mind. "You know, I say why don't they just meet outside in the tunnel after the ballgame and get it on some more," he said on the telecast. "You don't come into the OB, baby ... talking trash — not in our house.

"That's what I'm talking about. You come into our house, you should get your behind kicked. You don't come in to the OB playing that. ... You'll get your butt beat. I was about to go down the elevator to get in that thing."

Thomas apologized on ESPN Radio, but he embodies the thug image. During his 'Canes days, he not only was involved in a Pell Grant scandal, he pleaded no contest to aggravated battery charges involving his pregnant girlfriend and served jail time for violating probation.

 

[salsadancer7]

Sorry, but you just don't see such undisciplined nonsense from a USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. It's all about leadership, discipline and character...three things currently lacking in the Miami program. Is it time to clean house at Miami, and is it time for Larry Coker and staff to go? Certainly not based solely on winning percentage. However, college football should also be about building character and developing players mentally and academically. A successful program must maintain high athletic achievement on the field, while maintaining core values of citizenship and scholarship off the field.

It's a tough call, but I feel that something needs to be done at Miami. There is a very good article about this subject in USA Today.

Just wanted to add this section from the above mentioned article:

After reading blogs by Hurricanes fans, many of them not only condone what transpired but are delighted. They believe the team has been "Cokerized," that Miami no longer plays with passion and menace as it did back in the day. The brawl, they reason, ignited dormant aggressiveness in the floundering, unranked team.

I ask you: How sick is that?

About as disturbing as listening to a replay of Lamar Thomas. The former Hurricane lost his job with Comcast Sports SouthEast after apparently losing his mind. "You know, I say why don't they just meet outside in the tunnel after the ballgame and get it on some more," he said on the telecast. "You don't come into the OB, baby ... talking trash — not in our house.

"That's what I'm talking about. You come into our house, you should get your behind kicked. You don't come in to the OB playing that. ... You'll get your butt beat. I was about to go down the elevator to get in that thing."

Thomas apologized on ESPN Radio, but he embodies the thug image. During his 'Canes days, he not only was involved in a Pell Grant scandal, he pleaded no contest to aggravated battery charges involving his pregnant girlfriend and served jail time for violating probation.

And I agree with you 100% !! This program should be gutten from the top on down. UM let go a VERY good person in Pete Garcia go to FIU and become the AD(he was vital to cleaning up UM image when Butch Davis was the coach), ironically, his 1st assignment was to hand down the suspensions due to this brawl. ALL the FIU players that were involved were suspended INDEFINATELY...PLUS they must ALL do 10 hours of anger management...PLUS they must do 50 of community service before ANY of them are even considered to be reinstated ont he football team....THAT is a punishment I can live with.

 

[cforrest]

Latest letter sent to Alumni from Pres. Shalala:

October 17, 2006

To the University Community:

We have now completed our review and actions related to the incident on Saturday night at the Orange Bowl.

On Sunday the Atlantic Coast Conference and the University announced that 13 student-athletes had been suspended for the upcoming football game this weekend.

Yesterday the UM Athletic Department announced that it was taking additional action. Following is the text of that statement:

Coral Gables, Fla. – In addition to the ACC suspensions announced yesterday, the University of Miami Athletic Department is taking the following action:

With respect to fighting, any future violation will subject student-athletes to seasonal or permanent suspensions.

The suspension of sophomore safety Anthony Reddick has been extended indefinitely.

The Athletic Department has re-emphasized to the football coaching staff the University’s commitment to the principles of sportsmanship and their responsibility to communicate this principle to the student-athletes.

The coaches will be held accountable for any violation of this principle.

Any further action by a student-athlete that violates these principles will not be tolerated by the University.

Further, additional disciplinary measures will be taken for all involved players, including community service and other unspecified actions.

“The NCAA and the Atlantic Coast Conference have principles of sportsmanship to which the University of Miami is committed,” said UM director of athletics Paul Dee. “It is important for us to use opportunities such as these to re-emphasize this commitment to sportsmanship and to use it as an opportunity to provide a meaningful learning experience. The University of Miami does not tolerate actions inconsistent with this principle.”

Additionally, on Thursday I will be meeting with Florida International University President Mitch Maidique to discuss whether our football teams will play the game that is currently scheduled for next season.

As always, I appreciate your comments and suggestions.

Sincerely,

Donna E. Shalala
President

 

[salsadancer7]

First off, this wouldn't and DIDN"T happen at Notre Dame. Second, isn't this the third fight in about the last eight games for Miami. Coker needs to be fired now. He has lost control of his team. Third, when is the NCAA going to step in? This crap has been going on for to long in that program.

Apparently you have not been kept abreast of things down at the U. They DO need to fire Coker because though he IS a nice guy, he does not have control. They had a fight after the LSU game last year. Finally.....

...crap has been going on for to long in that program

...has some truth. The troubles have been recently, mostly within the last year and a half. The program had been cleaned out by Butch Davis. In the last 4 years, Ohio State has had as many if not more troubles with their football team than Miami. The NCAA will not step in because they ONLY care about college basketball now. The University worked very hard to clean things up and now this has taken the school back to so really bad days.

 

[Jimbo]

Apparently you have not been kept abreast of things down at the U. They DO need to fire Coker because though he IS a nice guy, he does not have control. They had a fight after the LSU game last year. Finally..... ...has some truth. The troubles have been recently, mostly within the last year and a half. The program had been cleaned out by Butch Davis. In the last 4 years, Ohio State has had as many if not more troubles with their football team than Miami. The NCAA will not step in because they ONLY care about college basketball now. The University worked very hard to clean things up and now this has taken the school back to so really bad days.

Ohio State has not had ON FEILD problems .... problem off the field YES
And the NCAA lives in our back yard because of them.
The NCAA will do nothing about this issue, and that is wrong.

 

[Digital Dude]

Ohio State has not had ON FEILD problems .... problem off the field YES
And the NCAA lives in our back yard because of them.
The NCAA will do nothing about this issue, and that is wrong.

Exactly! Ohio State exhibits sportsmanship on the field. When someone makes a play they congratulate each other, Buckeyes don't stand over their opponent and beat their chest like a lowland gorilla. When you watch Big-10 (11) football you see players from opposing teams giving each other a hand up off the ground.

Sure Maurice Clarett is an incomprehensible moron, but Tressel and his peers in the Big-10 won't tolerate individual showmanship and taunting, they live and die as a team.

 

[salsadancer7]

Ohio State has not had ON FEILD problems .... problem off the field YES
And the NCAA lives in our back yard because of them.
The NCAA will do nothing about this issue, and that is wrong.

But the taughting was not a big thing lately. The ONLY major taunting that was done by the players was that moronic dance on the Louisville Cardinal. I was at the FIU-UM game....and you have to understand a few things. UM is a private school, and unless you have the grades or your a stud athlete...you will NOT get in to Miami.
Now, you have FIU...very good school that JUST started their football program approx. 2 or 3 years ago. Now, throw in that there is alot...an ABUNDANCE of football talet down here that will NOT make it to UM, FSU, UF or even UCF. They go to FIU with a chip on their shoulder for being rejected at those schools....plus you have a program that was NOT winning....plus you have that rivalry of play against each other from PeeWee to high school...ALL simmering in the Orange Bowl. Now, I am NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM condoning what the players did...but it was bound to happen.
Alot of the FIU players were cheap shotting UM players, talking trash and 3 small fights had broken out before the free-for-all....and that does not include the 2 or 3 fights I saw in the stands. Now like I posted before, I am not blaming the refs for what happened, but they HAD THEIR CHANCE TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE GAME. A few unsportsman like conduct flags here and there...for both sides.....throw out a player or two...again, on both sides because by the 2nd quarter...UM players started playing dirty too....and that would have sent a message to the bench, players and the coaches to calm down. But none of that happened, so it simmered....and then end result....this. AGAIN, the player and the coaches MUST take responsibilities for their actions.....but being there, seeing what I was seeing...I am positive this could have been prevented.

 

[Paul Wozniak]

I haven't been staying abreast of what's going on down there? Judgibg by your response it sounds like I'm right on top of what's happening at Miami.

 

[salsadancer7]

I haven't been staying abreast of what's going on down there? Judgibg by your response it sounds like I'm right on top of what's happening at Miami.

Read LOCAL media...not national when it comes to this. According to NATIONAL media, the blogs are FULL of UM students, fans and Alumni CHEERING what happened at the game. But that is VERY untrue. There have been a handful here and there...but by the most part, what happened has NOT been condoned by the majority.