Launch Predictions 10/10

That's kind of an incredulous statement, don't you think? If 50% of all cable subscribers on the whole have HBO and (presumably slightly more have so movie package or another) why are high-def subscribers different in a negatively correlated way?


Because HD viewers are minority of the 50% of the whole.

For instance: if 200 dish viewers have HBO and 20% of them have HD you're looking at 40 viewers if 50% of them have mpeg4 boxes you're down to 20 viewers.

So do you uplink HBO -Comedy HD for those 20? or do you uplink MGM HD which has the potential for a larger viewing audience. Remember on those channels Dish has the potential to insert ads they sell so revenue comes off those channels.
 
I can't believe Dish didn't add any new national hd today (or even uplink it). They're really starting to drop the ball. Well we always have next week (or maybe tomorrow/friday?) for some new content.
 
I would love to see FX HD added. I don't watch any of the shows on there but they do show some pretty good movies. I've watched all the Spiderman and XMen movies in the last year or so on there.

That being said, I kind of doubt we will see it today. Maybe CNN and TWC but that is probably it.

Doesn't FX have commercials? This day in age I really don't understand how anybody could watch chopped up, edited movies on a commercial station. I mean seriously, between premium channels, DVDs for sale and for rent, PPV, etc. Did you miss XMen and Spiderman when they were on the premium stations?

It irks me to no end when I go to somebody's house and they are watching Saving Private Ryan on TNT (violence and swears edited out), yet they have all these HBOs and Showtimes that are commercial free and other than the pan and scan or cropping, are not edited.

Basic cable stations are good for original shows, and the commercials can be gotten around with a DVR, but you are still losing part of the movie when the "naughty" words, violence, and sex scenes are deleted from a movie in order to appease the advertisers.
 
Because HD viewers are minority of the 50% of the whole.

For instance: if 200 dish viewers have HBO and 20% of them have HD you're looking at 40 viewers if 50% of them have mpeg4 boxes you're down to 20 viewers.

So do you uplink HBO -Comedy HD for those 20? or do you uplink MGM HD which has the potential for a larger viewing audience. Remember on those channels Dish has the potential to insert ads they sell so revenue comes off those channels.

You are being ridiculous. The more HD premiums of any given premium would produce more subscribers to that premium. A majority of people with HD TVs can afford the extra cost of a premium channel. If they don't subscribe to one it is because they are sick and tired of SD ruining their movies, and the limited offerings of HD premium channels. If Dish adds multichannels of any given premium channel, their subscriber base to that premium would go up because of it.

Currently, I only have Starz with Dish. I have the other premiums with my cable company. Why? Because my cable company offers more multichannels of HBO, Cinemax, Showtime. If Dish were to say, add more Showtimes in HD, I would change my Showtime package to Dish. If Dish adds MGM HD or SciFi HD, I might be slightly happier to see more offerings, but they aren't going to get any more money out of me.

Any business goes after the money. There isn't much more money to be made by Dish out of the non-HD AT100 crowd. Why do you think they are adding all HD channels and no new SD? They are making more money off the HD crowd. They would be smart to add more premium HDs. For this same money driven reason, they added all those HD PPVs. With your thinking they wouldn't have done that because most people do not order PPV. But they make money off the ones that do, so they are using their bandwidth to make every penny they can.
 
While you do have your right to your opininon, dismissing mine as ridiculous because it doesn't jive with your thinking is not a right.

In the past, only those who had some disposable income had HDTV's. That model is changing. HDTV's are becoming mainstream and lots more people are getting them. That doesn't not mean they have significantly more money to spend for premium channels or pay per view.

It's possible the number of buys to be profitable on an HD PPV is low enough that PPV's are a profit center. Not everyone has the resources to buy HD PPV's.

Agreed, there's virtually no more money left to be made in the non 100 crowd, which is why you're going to see channels added in the 100 + HD packs.

I still don't think there's enough HDTV penetration coupled with premiums right now. New adopters that are on budgets might not ever have premiums.
 
While you do have your right to your opininon, dismissing mine as ridiculous because it doesn't jive with your thinking is not a right.

In the past, only those who had some disposable income had HDTV's. That model is changing. HDTV's are becoming mainstream and lots more people are getting them. That doesn't not mean they have significantly more money to spend for premium channels or pay per view.

It's possible the number of buys to be profitable on an HD PPV is low enough that PPV's are a profit center. Not everyone has the resources to buy HD PPV's.

Agreed, there's virtually no more money left to be made in the non 100 crowd, which is why you're going to see channels added in the 100 + HD packs.

I still don't think there's enough HDTV penetration coupled with premiums right now. New adopters that are on budgets might not ever have premiums.

I believe HD with Dish alone is $20/month. At least mine is. They could add 10 basic HD channels and charge me the same. If they added 10 HD Showtimes for example, they'd sure get more $$$ out of me, because I'd subscribe.

Sure, they need to add more basic cable HDs like FX HD, CNN HD, etc, but 1 Starz, 1 HBO, 1 Cinemax, and 1 Showtime are not cutting it anymore. I have a DVD collection of over 500 films. If I want standard def I'll watch those. There aren't that many HD movies available on Bluray or HD-DVD yet, so HD multichannels of the premiums would be a huge selling point right now for any provider. I can't stand SD premiums with pan and scan anymore, so it will probably come down to me just dropping them all if we don't get some HD multichannels within the next year or so.
 
You are being ridiculous. The more HD premiums of any given premium would produce more subscribers to that premium. A majority of people with HD TVs can afford the extra cost of a premium channel. If they don't subscribe to one it is because they are sick and tired of SD ruining their movies, and the limited offerings of HD premium channels. If Dish adds multichannels of any given premium channel, their subscriber base to that premium would go up because of it.
Easy stokkey. A lot of folk watch TV for reasons other than movies.

NASA
MSBNC
CNBC
CNN
FXNWS
HIST
HISTI
DISC
A&E
FOOD
HGTV
DIY
DOC
MLTY
SCIEN
CURNT
DTIME
DHLTH
NTGEO
TLC
ANIML

plus a bunch of music channels
and some kids channels

And I think there are some sports channels if I remember right.


OK?
 
Easy stokkey. A lot of folk watch TV for reasons other than movies.

NASA
MSBNC
CNBC
CNN
FXNWS
HIST
HISTI
DISC
A&E
FOOD
HGTV
DIY
DOC
MLTY
SCIEN
CURNT
DTIME
DHLTH
NTGEO
TLC
ANIML

plus a bunch of music channels
and some kids channels

And I think there are some sports channels if I remember right.


OK?

What is this random channel list? The channels you watch? And who the hell watches al gore's current tv? what crap.

Like I said, I would like to see premium HD adds and basic HD adds. But that other guy was saying it was unwise to add HD premiums based on the number of subscribers. I say, not so. Premium adds are needed to save premium subscribers from bailing on their premiums and to acquire new premium subscribers.

1 HBO is in HD is no longer acceptable.
 
"DISH bring on the multi-channel premium HD movie channels tiers" If you don't I'll dump your A$$ and go with DirectTV. :D
By the way I subscribe to all the premiums and like Skottey. "it's Ridiculus to have only one premium HD channel per movie tier" and even more so to have such few SD premiums per tier considering how many feeds HBO,MAX,SHOand STARZ have up their for distribution. Damn I am getting jealous of directtv right now. The only thing that's stopping me from jumping ship is I own my own DISH equipment. But, Hopefully next year DISH will become the HD leader again.:)
 
My wife asked if there was any news on the forum of more channels. When I told her there wasn't, she asked when we were making the move to DirectTV. Dish needs to add multi-channel premium HD channels or we, like many others, will jump ship. We have been with Dish for ten years.
 
Doesn't FX have commercials? This day in age I really don't understand how anybody could watch chopped up, edited movies on a commercial station. I mean seriously, between premium channels, DVDs for sale and for rent, PPV, etc. Did you miss XMen and Spiderman when they were on the premium stations?

It irks me to no end when I go to somebody's house and they are watching Saving Private Ryan on TNT (violence and swears edited out), yet they have all these HBOs and Showtimes that are commercial free and other than the pan and scan or cropping, are not edited.

Basic cable stations are good for original shows, and the commercials can be gotten around with a DVR, but you are still losing part of the movie when the "naughty" words, violence, and sex scenes are deleted from a movie in order to appease the advertisers.

I don't pay for premium movie channels so I don't mind watching them on cable stations. I have a 622 so I can skip through the commercials and I don't need to hear the F-word every other word so that's no big deal.
 
I tend to think Skottey is right. I dont know how many people subscribe to AEP, but when you're making the decision to get E*, and you start looking at the 'final' costs of the various packages (DVR fees, the cost of adding only ONE movie premium, AT100 vs AT200, etc, AEP tends to look attractive...i.e. for $12 bucks or so more, you get ALL the movie premiums, instead of just one, no DVR fees, etc) I just went with AEP. Dish sets stuff up to goad us into AEP, or at least the higher packages.

I've been patiently waiting for more than just one HD per movie premium. I locked out all the SD movie premiums, cause i cant bear to watch them in SD.

My decision to even keep AEP, and the thus the movie premiums, is based on the belief that E* will eventually add more HD movie premium multi channels, but they need to start acting on this issue soon. For god's sake, D* is the 'sports' carrier, and E* is the 'movie' carrier. You know, we've always told our friends/family/coworkers asking our advice about who to go with "if you like sports go with D*, if you like movies go with E*". E* needs to focus on HD movies if they want us to keep directing people to them in this manner.
 
DISH WHERE ARE YOU? I get the distinct feeling that they are not listening to us . Or they are planning a sneak attack next week which will add some more hd channels . THey have more than enough sats up there that they could add more hd if they would move ahead . Add to that the fact that they haven't gone all mpeg 4 yet on the rest of the hd channels leads me, and others to believe, that they have more than enough room to keep up with the directv hd channel additions so far.

THey Better start listening or they will be losing some hd subs for the other provider. I own all of my hd receivers and have been with DISH for 11 years come January , but that being said I could always sell them on Ebay and move to Directv. CHARLIE Are you listening?
 
DISH WHERE ARE YOU? ...Add to that the fact that they haven't gone all mpeg 4 yet on the rest of the hd channels leads me, and others to believe, that they have more than enough room to keep up with the directv hd channel additions so far.

I was under the assumption that all the HD was in mpeg 4 now.
 
Non-fiction television. Check it out sparky.

What is the point to you spitting out a list of "non-fiction television?"

You just spewed out your list with no explanation other than to criticize me and spew out your list. Anybody can type a random list of channels. What is your point?
 
I don't pay for premium movie channels so I don't mind watching them on cable stations. I have a 622 so I can skip through the commercials and I don't need to hear the F-word every other word so that's no big deal.

I am sorry but watching Casino or Goodfellas without the f-word is just not the same. The dialog is what makes the movies. A movie is made to be seen a certain way. If I watch Goodfellas on DVD or HBO and you watch it on TNT, we are not watching the same movie. The same goes for sex scenes and violence in movies.

If these basic cable channels only broke it up for commercials and didn't edit anything out, I would be satisfied with that because of DVR technology, but the fact is they ruin a lot of movies as they were intended to be seen.
 

Would I need 2 dishes?

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