Dish to unveil 4k?

[Troch77]

Apparently SAM you didn't read anything I posted.

You make it sound like I said 1080i is bad picture quality .

That is not what I said at all.
And where did I complain?
And I'm not reposting an explanation of it again.

 

[sam_gordon]

Apparently SAM you didn't read anything I posted.

You make it sound like I said 1080i is bad picture quality .

That is not what I said at all.
And where did I complain?
And I'm not reposting an explanation of it again.

Here's what I'm referring to...

But it [1080] can become a complete mess during any fast side to side moments or up and down movements.

In my world, if something is a "complete mess", it's basically unwatchable. If that's not what you're saying, I apologize.

And yes, I understand you're referring to fast movement. NBC is 1080... they have college and professional football, and had NASCAR on today also. I think that would apply.

 

[KAB]

Thia current flow reminds me of HighDefJeff.

 

[Troch77]

Thia current flow reminds me of highdefjeff.

He thinks 4K will be the standard in 2016.
Maybe if you base it on TV manufacturers.
Certainly not the norm from providers or Networks.

 

[charlesrshell]

Thia current flow reminds me of HiDefJeff!

I remember HiDefJeff. He peaked my dish one time long time ago. Haven't heard anything from him in a long time. Where are you HiDefJeff?

 

[KAB]

Broadcast Network 4K, (which MUST include all net affiliates), is at least three or four years away. Some people here tend to forget that the networks and their affiliates, who are losing money by the minute because of the failure of their revenue stream today, aren't too interested in investing in more TECH. They will drag their heels to the absolute last minute, IF EVER. Would love for someone to ask Les Moonves about his (CBS) 4K intentions.

 

[ChadT41]

Broadcast Network 4K, (which MUST include all net affiliates), is at least three or four years away. Some people here tend to forget that the networks and their affiliates, who are losing money by the minute because of the failure of their revenue stream today, aren't too interested in investing in more TECH. They will drag their heels to the absolute last minute, IF EVER. Would love for someone to ask Les Moonves about his (CBS) 4K intentions.

http://qz.com/238625/the-five-ways-tv-has-changed-forever/

It appears CBS is throwing the idea around, but at this time, I'll wait for more press release. Can they do this again after the 3D fail? Disney has room to mess around.

 

[bluegras]

i wonder what dish will show at CES in a couple on months i know everyone will talk about 4k.

 

[BBruin66]

hat was the first entry into HDTV.

Your statement about 720p being hardly better than SD ...was..BS! Navy was right to call you out. That was the first entry into HDTV. And still here. Stop putting technical specs over the reality of human optics.

Here is my full quote:

Let's remember the rather unremarkable difference 720p is from SD. (I know the SD we watch now is trash, but with S-Video, C-Band, you could get a very decent picture on a CRT.)

I stand by that. It's unremarkable, I didn't say "hardly better". If y'all would just quote what you have a problem with things would be a lot clearer, but being vague, and nit-picking a single statement is all you've got to counter with.

It's becoming clear who has a 720 television here and want nothing but to shoot 4k down so they don't feel any more inferior. Your "Stop putting technical specs over the reality of human optics" statement speaks volumes. I'll call JJ and tell him to put the 70mm film away.

If 720 is all you can see from your viewing distance, that doesn't mean you need to ruin it for everyone else. Go create a 720 for life thread, I won't go troll it.

 

[BBruin66]

http://qz.com/238625/the-five-ways-tv-has-changed-forever/

It appears CBS is throwing the idea around, but at this time, I'll wait for more press release. Can they do this again after the 3D fail? Disney has room to mess around.

Broadcast Network 4K, (which MUST include all net affiliates), is at least three or four years away. Some people here tend to forget that the networks and their affiliates, who are losing money by the minute because of the failure of their revenue stream today, aren't too interested in investing in more TECH. They will drag their heels to the absolute last minute, IF EVER. Would love for someone to ask Les Moonves about his (CBS) 4K intentions.

You're spot on with this though. I'll have a hard time imagining we ever get 4k OTA in the traditional broadcast set-up. If we do, it will be a misguided last gasp to save OTA. (I LOVE my OTAs). Tech is changing, and getting a 4k signal to a house can come from a lot better places than a network of UHF and UHF that need to cover the whole nation with a set standard. Netflix and Amazon leading the way, the content already exists. Nobody will want to wait around for this archaic part of the industry to force change with a free-box coupon-program.

 

[BBruin66]

http://qz.com/238625/the-five-ways-tv-has-changed-forever/

It appears CBS is throwing the idea around, but at this time, I'll wait for more press release. Can they do this again after the 3D fail? Disney has room to mess around.

I think Disney will throw money at this because of the sports they offer, and the movie franchises they own. And of course, they have a lot of money to throw at things.

 

[BBruin66]

i wonder what dish will show at CES in a couple on months i know everyone will talk about 4k.

Assuming it's a 4k Joey, the real question will be, does it actually have anything to do with a satellite dish.

Directs offering is basically just HDMI 2.0 internet box that connect to DirectTV servers. Maybe in the future we'll see some live content offered by this medium, however, basically anybody can make a 'HDMI 2.0 internet box that connect to servers'. If that's all these boxes can offer... it's all the more reason to look towards "cable cutting".

Contrarily, if dish can offer a 4k signal through SAT, they will have am advantage that nobody else does. A steady, reliable, 4k stream to your house. I'm fully confident I can get 4k through my current 50Mbps internet connection. Heck, dish's VOD servers regularly pipes me 18Mpbs (remember Vudu's UHD wants min 11Mpbs). What i'm not fully confident about is the ability of our nations internet to send a 4k signal reliably during something like the superbowl. We've already seen many livestreams buffer, fail or even crash. I will gladly pay to have a reliable source of live 4k content sent to my home. Sat, or one of Dish's other spectrum's is the only way I can see this coming to me soon (with-in 5 years? ).

 

[dare2be]

Two things after reading through all the replies this weekend.

Yes, you can expect 4K to use 4x the bandwidth of 1080p. It was brought up that newer compression technologies would alleviate some of the bandwith issues, but that same compression technology would be useful on 1080p as well, so you are still at the 4x difference in throughput.

Second, interlaced content (such as 1080i) will always look worse than progressive content (even 720p) when fast motion scenes are involved (sports, action movies). Compression or resolution has nothing to do with it. Interlaced video looks like Freddy Kruger sliced through it with his razor fingers. And yes, that is unbearable to watch, even more so than an overly compressed satellite or cable progressive signal.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I remember HiDefJeff. He peaked my dish one time long time ago. Haven't heard anything from him in a long time. Where are you HiDefJeff?

Maybe he now goes by 4kJeff?

 

[MikeD-C05]

What if the networks decide to do only 4k on their online streaming services and charge like Cbs does now at $5.99 a month, and keep their hd services for ota , sat and cable services? Maybe they can get the 4k out faster via online and then following that a year or two later maybe they would then proceed into traditional sat/cable services, at a much higher premium than they charge now. I could see that happening and it would generate even more revenue for the networks and could hasten the end of ota broadcasting for the latest , greatest cutting edge technology. OF course this would make the acceptance of 4k video slower because only those who were willing to pay more now would have access to it.

 

[Troch77]

Second, interlaced content (such as 1080i) will always look worse than progressive content (even 720p) when fast motion scenes are involved (sports, action movies). Compression or resolution has nothing to do with it. Interlaced video looks like Freddy Kruger sliced through it with his razor fingers. And yes, that is unbearable to watch, even more so than an overly compressed satellite or cable progressive signal.

Agree 100%
And if you have an Entry-level cheap tv, It's even more noticeable.

As I already stated the SHARP 60 inch 452 and 552 have the worst 1080i Combing effect I've ever seen in an HD TV .
So bad, We left it on 720p.

This was at My Brother In laws local TV and appliance Store.
Where their systems were hooked up properly.

 

[patmurphey]

At the same time, waiting might get you into a class of TV that can deliver on the expanded capabilities (including HDR) that UHD may bring. A high percentage of the UHD TVs out there only bring higher resolution that may make the SD and HD pictures worse instead of better.

I have a 2014 Samsung model, $574 Black Friday deal. SD and HD pictures from Dish are substantially better. Samsung has an upgrade path, and I just bought the latest Evolution upgrade for $274 from TigerDirect Black Friday. Maybe you can find a brand that doesn't improve SD/HD viewing, but that is patently not my experience (not to mention the increasing amount of streaming movies and series out there already).

 

[Troch77]

I have a 2014 Samsung model, $574 Black Friday deal. SD and HD pictures from Dish are substantially better. Samsung has an upgrade path, and I just bought the latest Evolution upgrade for $274 from TigerDirect Black Friday. Maybe you can find a brand that doesn't improve SD/HD viewing, but that is patently not my experience (not to mention the increasing amount of streaming movies and series out there already).

What model?

 

[patmurphey]

UN40HU6950FXZA 40" UHD 4K Smart LED TV (Black Friday Special) November 2014.

If you look at today's Samsung offerings, there is a base model similar to mine and a higher priced model that actually comes with the Evolution box.

 

[charlesrshell]

I have a 2014 Samsung model, $574 Black Friday deal. SD and HD pictures from Dish are substantially better. Samsung has an upgrade path, and I just bought the latest Evolution upgrade for $274 from TigerDirect Black Friday. Maybe you can find a brand that doesn't improve SD/HD viewing, but that is patently not my experience (not to mention the increasing amount of streaming movies and series out there already).

patmurphey, can you check out all the specs on this 4K TV? I want the regular HD channels to be improved if possible. I am just not that familiar with 4K TVs. Thanks for your help.
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN40JU6400FXZA?CID=AFL-hq-mul-0813-11000279