Dish to unveil 4k?

[Jhon69]

I had an interesting experience the other night,ever since I have had this Vizio 4K UHDTV delivered I have had my Dish receiver set to 1080i resolution,so the other night I decided to try the 720p resolution setting.

Dish receivers do not have a native pass through and that one feature that I like,when I changed the resolution to 720p the colors in the picture came alive.

Now maybe the reason might be that going to a progressive resolution from an interlaced resolution made the 4K upconversion easier,but what ever the reason I will leave my Dish receiver's resolution setting at 720p for the 4K upconversion.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

NBC has a lot of 4K content now. Chicago File, Chicago Police and The Blacklist.

 

[BBruin66]

Agree 100%
And if you have an Entry-level cheap tv, It's even more noticeable.

As I already stated the SHARP 60 inch 452 and 552 have the worst 1080i Combing effect I've ever seen in an HD TV .
So bad, We left it on 720p.

This was at My Brother In laws local TV and appliance Store.
Where their systems were hooked up properly.

So you're basically admitting your TVs suck. If you take a 1080i signal, make your STB output it at 720p, you're getting a p60 signal that is just the i30 converted. You dish receiver is doing the conversion to 60 frames per second instead of your TV.

 

[BBruin66]

What if the networks decide to do only 4k on their online streaming services and charge like Cbs does now at $5.99 a month, and keep their hd services for ota , sat and cable services? Maybe they can get the 4k out faster via online and then following that a year or two later maybe they would then proceed into traditional sat/cable services, at a much higher premium than they charge now. I could see that happening and it would generate even more revenue for the networks and could hasten the end of ota broadcasting for the latest , greatest cutting edge technology. OF course this would make the acceptance of 4k video slower because only those who were willing to pay more now would have access to it.

The failure I see here is the big check these services get from Sat/Cable providers. I can see these network offering SOME 4k content, even an extra tier to say $7.99?

Maybe they could just do this as a proof of demand while they wait for the intermediaries to get it figured out how to broadcast this much data.

 

[ChadT41]

Pricing too low early on will cause havoc when it's time to offer a full set.

 

[bluegras]

NBC has a lot of 4K content now. Chicago File, Chicago Police and The Blacklist.

scot what other tv stations have 4k content right now? thanks

 

[navychop]

No OTA station has UHD. There is no spec for it in ATSC.

 

[Troch77]

So you're basically admitting your TVs suck. If you take a 1080i signal, make your STB output it at 720p, you're getting a p60 signal that is just the i30 converted. You dish receiver is doing the conversion to 60 frames per second instead of your TV.

You are basically admitting you're clueless!

 

[BBruin66]

NBC has a lot of 4K content now. Chicago File, Chicago Police and The Blacklist.

Everything is in 4k now (at least it's being recorded that way). This is the big difference between the 4k (now) and the HD switch-over. The content is there, the delivery is lacking.

It says a lot when the places with the most 4k content is YouTube, Netflix, & Amazon. The first affordable device that can play 4k over HDMI 2.0a is a Roku.

Dish & Direct don't want to be even further behind.

Remember Netflix didn't even start streaming until at least a year after the HD roll-out for Sat.

This happened after:

And this happened in the past three years:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cable-tv-subscribers-plunging-2015-8

US Netflix subscribers are now over 40 Million, Dish is under 14 Million.

http://mashable.com/2015/04/15/netflix-earnings-first-quarter-2015/#eMXRKTN4euqk

The savior can be live 4k, sports in particular. There's a reason ESPN gets so much of our money every month. And ad expenditures are actually increasing (even without daily fantasy).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybr...uel-sharp-increase-in-october-tv-ad-spending/

Live 4k would be a market exclusive. 40 Million people can already watch 4k movies.

 

[BBruin66]

You are basically admitting you're clueless!

Please explain.

 

[Troch77]

Please explain.

Easy, everyone sells low end and High end TVs.
So by your statement my TVS suck, well not everyone can spend $2000 on a 60 Inch tv, Which is why he sells Multiple brands of Entry-level TVs.

If he didn't he would be out of business.

 

[BBruin66]

No OTA station has UHD. There is no spec for it in ATSC.

Are you saying nobody (MVPDs) can broadcast anything (live) until ATSC 3.0 is finalized?

EDIT: NVM, I see you were replying to the post above you again, with no quote . But do you think the above statement is true?

 

[BBruin66]

Easy, everyone sells low end and High end TVs.
So by your statement my TVS suck, well not everyone can spend $2000 on a 60 Inch tv, Which is why he sells Multiple brands of Entry-level TVs.

If he didn't he would be out of business.

Who is he? I'm so confused.

I stated that if you notice interlacing on 1080i content, then change your Dish STB to output to progressive scan, and don't notice interlacing than that means the internal dish image processor is better than your TVs (assuming original source was 1080i). It's doesn't mean 1080i sucks and 720p is superior.

Then you mentioned something on TV pricing to explain how I was clueless?

 

[Jhon69]

I had an interesting experience the other night,ever since I have had this Vizio 4K UHDTV delivered I have had my Dish receiver set to 1080i resolution,so the other night I decided to try the 720p resolution setting.

Dish receivers do not have a native pass through,when I changed the resolution to 720p the colors in the picture came alive.

Now maybe the reason might be that going to a progressive resolution from an interlaced resolution made the 4K upconversion easier,but what ever the reason I will leave my Dish receiver's resolution setting at 720p for the 4K upconversion.

When I had my 1080p HDTV and I would change the picture resolution setting from 1080i to 720p,the colors in the picture looked deeper,but I would lose enough clarity in the picture I would need to switch my picture resolution back to 1080i.

Now with the 4K UHDTV when I change the picture resolution setting from 1080i to 720p the colors in the picture are brighter and thanks to the 4K spatial scaling engine inside the 4K UHDTV,the clarity is just as good,but I think it's better than the

picture setting set at 1080i.

 

[bluegras]

a friend of mine sent me this article saying that there will be more new UTV 4k channels coming real soon
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015/11/10/ultra-hd-an-ses-perspective/

Allen

 

[patmurphey]

I Can't tell what the difference is from the Samsung page, but I suspect it's related to One Connect mini and One Connect. Samsung is using the One Connect boxes for its external connections. I'm sure the cheaper one will work with current streaming offers, but I would bet that the 6500 will more likely work best with future 4k content. My TV is the 2014 model and is compatible with the full One Connect box.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN40JU6500FXZA

The $150 difference is likely worth it, and still an excellent price.

 

[charlesrshell]

I Can't tell what the difference is from the Samsung page, but I suspect it's related to One Connect mini and One Connect. Samsung is using the One Connect boxes for its external connections. I'm sure the cheaper one will work with current streaming offers, but I would bet that the 6500 will more likely work best with future 4k content. My TV is the 2014 model and is compatible with the full One Connect box.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN40JU6500FXZA

The $150 difference is likely worth it, and still an excellent price.

Thanks for helping. I already ordered the 40" Samsung, found it for $447. I just went for the cheepo price as my wife is already on my A-- for too many TVs in our house. Got 11 total counting up all the mirrored TVs.

 

[Bobby]

a friend of mine sent me this article saying that there will be more new UTV 4k channels coming real soon
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015/11/10/ultra-hd-an-ses-perspective/

Allen

OMG, 9 years of when is Dish gonna get this channel in 4K....

 

[Stargazer]

So when dish comes out with 4K it could be compressed so badly that it looks closer to uncompressed 1080p/i? Probably not going to be the case but an interesting way to look at it. Since 720 is what is offered and compressed at that, when 4K is rolled out it will probably be a big noticeable difference even if it is compressed and reason to want 4K.

 

[MikeD-C05]

So when dish comes out with 4K it could be compressed so badly that it looks closer to uncompressed 1080p/i? Probably not going to be the case but an interesting way to look at it. Since 720 is what is offered and compressed at that, when 4K is rolled out it will probably be a big noticeable difference even if it is compressed and reason to want 4K.

Will probably finally get full HD picture from DISH, when they come out with compressed 4k feeds or "4k lite". There I said it and coined the new word to describe what will soon be coming our way. I remember when we had full hd feeds with Voom and then it was quickly compressed and we got HD lite. Same thing will happen with 4k.