DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket
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No, but it was never suppose to make money for them, it was a draw to get more subs, and it did.
I have a buddy that pays for Game Pass every year ... He's a Season Ticket holder for the Browns .... for about 25 years now.
Poor guy ...
Crow I shall eatI have a buddy that pays for Game Pass every year ... He's a Season Ticket holder for the Browns .... for about 25 years now.
Poor guy ...
This is true. The NFL doesn't care about the 250,000 lost subs. But whoever gets the Sunday Ticket will. Not sure I would buy a package knowing that a quarter of a million subscribers are gone as soon as the new owner gets it. And it's not my money but if it was I would be asking the NFL plenty of questions about why they now think it's worth $2.5 or $3 billion. Again it goes back to the NFL offering it like MLB and other sports do.
There are other articles out there that say those subs will be taken care of..just not free any more
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Show me one.
There are a few stories that say DirecTV wants to talk to the winner, but since there is not one yet, moot point.
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Again, they do not care.
250,000 is nothing compared to the potential millions more.
Before it was only available to 10 million DirecTV, now it will be available in over 100 households, who knows how many will sub to it.
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not what you wrote-
Please post the link to just one of these articles, you put it out there, now prove it.
This is what most people would do when caught lying so many times in such a short period of time, but here we are.
Before, AKA now, it is available to literally everyone in the country. The idea that there is this great mass of people that wish oh wish that they could get ST, is just wrong. People that want ST, have it. Save for a literal handful of people.
Anyway, the WSJ (paywalled) has hard numbers on ST in today’s paper. DirecTV has about 2M subscribers max, and is now down in the 1.5M range and has a steady loss of about $500M/year.
I think that it is pretty clear than the top end for the product is about 2 to 2.5M, depending on if the new seller is willing to accommodate bars and other commercial establishments which have no access, and in more cases than that, no real need of video quality internet and no interest in the predicate product, particularly in Amazon’s case.
I mean, you can keep saying all of this, it doesn't make it true. I don't understand why you think there are no/few people that don't want to pay thousands of dollars beyond what they are paying now and to have a dish put on their home to access the most popular sport in the US.
DirecTV is losing $500m/year on it in part because of high customer acquisition costs, churn and a relatively outdated business model. Their industry is currently right-sizing and hasn't found the bottom yet.
They are past any costs beyond those reasons being of value to the brand, etc. They're done w/ Sunday Ticket, it doesn't fit their business model anymore.
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Again, I want it, but I refuse to pay roughy $3500-4000 over 2 years to get it, Traditional TV is just not worth it anymore, especially since the majority of programming is reruns or reality shows.
Have you looked at the Fall TV Schedule, yech, we are now at the point where the best new shows are exclusive to the streaming services and the rest of the shows are on there also.
If I did not get YTTV for free ( Gift Card loophole) I would drop it in a second, the vast majority of shows on Traditional Live TV channels are on streaming services, then you get the exclusive shows also at a much less expensive price and better quality.
If I could get CNN, CNBC and Michigan Football via a streaming service separate from a OTT Service, Traditional Live TV would be gone.
This is what it says-
The package currently has about 1.5 million subscribers, down from some two million customers at its peak. DirecTV, now co-owned by AT&T and private-equity firm TPG, has been losing $500 million annually on the package for several years, people familiar with the financials of the package said.
My guess is the peak is many years ago.
And this is no surprise, specially since DirecTV Satellite has lost about 11-12 million subs the last 8 years.
Sooner or later, commercial establishments will have to upgrade, we all know streaming is the future of Television, there will come a point that both Dish and DirecTV will become unprofitable because of sub loss and stop offering services, even if they want to continue running the service at a loss, then the Satellites will start failing, remember no more are being built or launched.
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I also do not understand this hatred of a Streaming Company picking up NFLST.
DirecTV/AT&T are the ones who decided they were not going to bid on it, they are the reason why ST is leaving, it is not Apple/Amazon’s fault, be angry at DirecTV for pulling the rug out from under you.
At least this way, subscribers of DirecTV can stay with it and then get ST via a Streaming Service.
If Dish bid on it, you would probably be forced to get Dish for example.
Going streaming was the only way to keep it available Nationwide and maximize the money for the NFL.
DirecTV/AT&T are the ones who decided they were not going to bid on it, they are the reason why ST is leaving, it is not Apple/Amazon’s fault, be angry at DirecTV for pulling the rug out from under you.
At least this way, subscribers of DirecTV can stay with it and then get ST via a Streaming Service.
If Dish bid on it, you would probably be forced to get Dish for example.
Going streaming was the only way to keep it available Nationwide and maximize the money for the NFL.
Think much of it is the natural resistance to change and some of it projection and wanting it to fail because it's not their preferred solution for a variety of reasons (habits, internet availability, preconceived notions about streaming, etc)
It's nobody's fault in this thread that:
1. DirecTV's business model doesn't justify this decades-long status quo
2. The NFL's success continues to justify ever-increasing costs to access their content
So a parting is expected and natural.
The next argument you opened yourself up to is the indefensible 'if they wanted to maximize money it should be available to all' but that consistently ignores the NFL business model of maximizing revenue via exclusivity. We don't have data from either side for that debate so it's not really winnable by either side.
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