Carrier IQ references discovered in Apple's iOS
iOS 5 has an opt out clause, that is suppose to prevent it from functioning.
iOS 5 has an opt out clause, that is suppose to prevent it from functioning.
Carrier IQ Android OEM tracking software... logs your every move... and not happy about XDA
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That was discussed in the prior page. It is off by default; only used for diagnostics, and there is a setting in iOS about it. Not true with Android or BB.
More evidence.
This CIQ-gate has a chance to shed some light on the carrier-manufacturer relationship.
When a carrier postpones (sometimes indefinitely) an OS update for an Android phone,
it sounds like incorporating CIQ in the standard ROM is one of the reasons for the delay (on top of "skinning").
Whenever you can bypass the carrier while doing the update (e.g. rooted phones) you'll more likely not get it.
If you get the update directly from the manufacturer (e.g. RIM) with all the security in place,
they might not have the CIQ install themselves but should know about the carrier doing it...
Diogen.
And from the link in that story to Verizon' denial that it is on their phones, it looks like they are doing a little song and dance.
Verizon denies Carrier IQ is on any of its phones | The Verge
If they claim they aren't using it, then who is?? And why is it there in the first place?
I love this one:
BREAKING NEWS: Google Nexus Android phones and original Xoom tablet do not include Carrier IQ tracking software | The Verge
Yeah, but ALL OTHERS APPARENTLY DO!!
BREAKING NEWS: Google Nexus Android phones and original Xoom tablet do not include Carrier IQ tracking software | The Verge
Yeah, but ALL OTHERS APPARENTLY DO!!
you can refuse to accept it, but unless you are traveling across an encrypted channel end to end for every packet the data is readable. the practical matter is storing it long enough for analysis.
I'm not saying i disagree with your expectation, but whether that agrees with reality is another matter entirely.
i chopped a lot out, all of which i agree with, but I'm not too sure that matters much.
what about the patriot act which essentially suspended one of the amendments to the constitution (5th i believe).
the digital era has given the ability to provide almost complete access to the minutiae of our lives. it is the big fight of this century.
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Google most likely has nothing to do with this (unless it is part of Google Apps; the rest is opensourced).
With others - Nokia, RIM, Microsoft, Apple - whoever provides the binary either
installs CIQ or enables the hooks to have it installed by the carriers, i.e. knows about it...
Diogen.
With others - Nokia, RIM, Microsoft, Apple - whoever provides the binary either
installs CIQ or enables the hooks to have it installed by the carriers, i.e. knows about it...
Diogen.
all your cut/paste demonstrates is that you can resolve a hostname and have a path to the server.
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Oops, I missed that. I will point out, once again, that the setting only exists in iOS 5. Older versions don't have that setting.
"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
-----Henry Kissinger.
Diogen.
EDIT: Here is more.
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The point is the path exists. Why would it if Verizon isn't using it? Seems contradictory to say they are no using it.
And the Patrio Act may have carved warrant exceptions, but it did not suspend the 4th, 5th, or 6th Amendments.
You can be lax about your rights if you want, but my point is it is important to be vigilant about crap like this.
Welcome congress to this fray:
Congress Steps Into Carrier IQ Tracking Controversy | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
Congress Steps Into Carrier IQ Tracking Controversy | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
The most "interesting" component in this is CIQ's ability to read in plain text HTTPS communication.
Carrier IQ watchdog says software is a rootkit, posts video evidence | The Verge
And, CIQ reads your incoming SMS message before (!) you get to see it...
Diogen.
Carrier IQ watchdog says software is a rootkit, posts video evidence | The Verge
And, CIQ reads your incoming SMS message before (!) you get to see it...
Diogen.
Then you don't understand how TCP/IP works. I am not saying that to be rude, impolite or condescending. There's a fundamental lack of understanding on your part.
unless explicitly blocked by a firewall, or the port is not listening at the far end it's supposed to respond.
at this point all you have demonstrated is that this works the same as www . satelliteguys . us .
i have serious issues with lack of due process on US soil. I would like to think that that is hyper vigilant about my rights and the rights of others.
see previous.
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Sprint - the first guy admitting using CIQ.
Sprint says it 'uses Carrier IQ to help maintain our network performance' | The Verge
I wonder how long will it take before "...we do not and cannot look at the contents of messages, photos, videos, etc., using this tool" is proven to be BS...
Diogen.
Sprint says it 'uses Carrier IQ to help maintain our network performance' | The Verge
I wonder how long will it take before "...we do not and cannot look at the contents of messages, photos, videos, etc., using this tool" is proven to be BS...
Diogen.
Yeah, I don't understand TCP/IP
Come on John. I am NOT at all clear why you are so combative about this. My POINT was simply that the path exists. YES, I understand I can ping it; I can't show what is being SENT TO IT. But my point is that they have that subdomain setup for a reason. Oy.
Just like with the GPS controversy:
We don't really do it and definitely are gona stop doing it in the future...
Diogen.
Seems to be confirmed
HTC says it doesn't receive data from Carrier IQ, investigating ways to turn it off | The Verge
Now the question is: is this the carriers or Department of Homeland Security? I'd suspect the latter.
If only because if it wasn't DHS, then CIQ would by now have competition...
Doesn't devoting one day of the coming xmas break to learn Android hacking sound tempting?
Diogen.
Seems to be confirmed
HTC says it doesn't receive data from Carrier IQ, investigating ways to turn it off | The Verge
Now the question is: is this the carriers or Department of Homeland Security? I'd suspect the latter.
If only because if it wasn't DHS, then CIQ would by now have competition...
Doesn't devoting one day of the coming xmas break to learn Android hacking sound tempting?
Diogen.
Diogen, I disagree about DHS. I am doubtful. While I would not put it past them, that would be a HUGE issue - and a major scandal in the waiting. I think the Carriers are the guilty ones. They insist on putting it on devices. Why?
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