Looks like the Debate is kinda over, should this thread be deleted, or Scrambled (meaning Locked) ?
An Apology to the FTA Community
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The debate is not over unfortunately, as Rick still has not taken action to correct this issue for all of us.
I will not stop harping on this until Rick does the right thing for all of FTA Lovers and that is require a login to view the feeds.
So come on Rick, again I ask you PLEASE on behalf of the entire FTA Community to protect the hobby for us all and require a login to view feeds. If you do it then NOBODY can say that a Feed was scrambled because of postings at your site again. Please stop the Google Bots and other spiders from indexing this stuff and require logins for the feeds. Thank You Rick!
As is most often the case, perceived problems always require someone else to change.
Effect your own change!
Open up the WUT (behind a login only) and give poor souls like the OP a bot-free alternative.
Effect your own change!
Open up the WUT (behind a login only) and give poor souls like the OP a bot-free alternative.
sat_action,
I got to be honest. I have wanted to open it up and infact tried to before, but a few of our members got upset about it fearing that posts would leak out, so we moved it back the way it was again.
But honestly as I see it, requesting access to get in and being approved really does no good.I know some of you guys will get made at me for saying that but we have seen that when we have given people access they have just reposted the info elsewhere anyways. To me the walled garden that we have really does not work in those cases.
I personally would like to see it opened up to people logged in, or perhaps (and I don't even know if this is possible to do) but only show it to members who are logged in and who have x number of posts. I also wouldn't mind just sending people to Rick's looking for feeds if he fixed the issue. (These are my thoughts only, I have not talked to Iceberg about this.. I am just giving you my honest feelings on the matter.)
I would love to hear your thoughts on this, but ask if you want to discuss this to start another thread as its a completely different ball of wax.
And there you have it.
I got to be honest. I have wanted to open it up and infact tried to before, but a few of our members got upset about it fearing that posts would leak out, so we moved it back the way it was again.
But honestly as I see it, requesting access to get in and being approved really does no good.I know some of you guys will get made at me for saying that but we have seen that when we have given people access they have just reposted the info elsewhere anyways. To me the walled garden that we have really does not work in those cases.
I personally would like to see it opened up to people logged in, or perhaps (and I don't even know if this is possible to do) but only show it to members who are logged in and who have x number of posts. I also wouldn't mind just sending people to Rick's looking for feeds if he fixed the issue. (These are my thoughts only, I have not talked to Iceberg about this.. I am just giving you my honest feelings on the matter.)
I would love to hear your thoughts on this, but ask if you want to discuss this to start another thread as its a completely different ball of wax.
And there you have it.
I personally would like to see it opened up to people logged in, or perhaps (and I don't even know if this is possible to do) but only show it to members who are logged in and who have x number of posts. I also wouldn't mind just sending people to Rick's looking for feeds if he fixed the issue. (These are my thoughts only, I have not talked to Iceberg about this.. I am just giving you my honest feelings on the matter.)
I would love to hear your thoughts on this, but ask if you want to discuss this to start another thread as its a completely different ball of wax.
And there you have it.
My opinion is to keep it the way we have it now. As far as sending people over to Rick's for feeds (if he fixed the issue), my opinion is that we should not have to go to another site to find what we can find here. What we have with (the closed off) WUT seems to work for the most part.
If anything has to be changed here ... I think before we do anything, lets see what Rick's response is. And then put it to a vote, into another thread...with a poll.
I don't see it as completely different at all.
The end result here would be the exact same as proposed for the "other" site.
If the mods/members here are unwilling to do - in your own words - whats best for the ENTIRE Free To Air community, then how can you expect to convince any other site to do it.
The end result here would be the exact same as proposed for the "other" site.
If the mods/members here are unwilling to do - in your own words - whats best for the ENTIRE Free To Air community, then how can you expect to convince any other site to do it.
Here is Rick's Reply...
So basically what I am reading here (unless I am reading it wrong) is he does not think he site is hurting the hobby or killing the feeds for all of us, and because its his board and if he wants feeds to be grabed by Google and the search engines then he is going to do as he damn well pleases.
Ricks not thinking about the entire community here and its unfortunate, Rick is only thinking about Rick.
I have no plans to back down on this as I feel it is important for all of us who love Free To Air to fight is this to protect what we love so much.
If I have to get louder or go through extremes I will continue to make my voice heard on the matter.
The Free to Air Community needs to stand up and work together.. most of them sit on their hands and just say oh well something else gone that I can't get anymore. The entire mission here is to get the bots (Google, Bing etc) from indexing this stuff. I showed you yesterday with Google Alerts how quickly this stuff is indexed. We need to protect our hobby together.
So basically what I am reading here (unless I am reading it wrong) is he does not think he site is hurting the hobby or killing the feeds for all of us, and because its his board and if he wants feeds to be grabed by Google and the search engines then he is going to do as he damn well pleases.
Ricks not thinking about the entire community here and its unfortunate, Rick is only thinking about Rick.
I have no plans to back down on this as I feel it is important for all of us who love Free To Air to fight is this to protect what we love so much.
If I have to get louder or go through extremes I will continue to make my voice heard on the matter.
The Free to Air Community needs to stand up and work together.. most of them sit on their hands and just say oh well something else gone that I can't get anymore. The entire mission here is to get the bots (Google, Bing etc) from indexing this stuff. I showed you yesterday with Google Alerts how quickly this stuff is indexed. We need to protect our hobby together.
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Why don't you discuss this matter off-line with Rick as he suggested, instead of making it a free for all in the open forum? I know you're working in the interest of all, but the way this is being handled with name calling and insults will not produce the desired result or response. You may want to change your method of delivery, Scott.
That I dont know, Iceberg is the one who control of the WUT forum and admissions.
I do know that some members wanted people to be a member for so long and have so many posts before getting it to discurage leeching as before people were just logging in seeing what was there and then reposting it to the unsecure site.
They didn't want their feed posts be used to shut down what they were watching and didn't want them posted at other sites because of this.
I also know that many of the good feed finders out there no longer posts to any forum out of fear if they post it here it will get reposted to the other unsecure site by someone.
I do know that some members wanted people to be a member for so long and have so many posts before getting it to discurage leeching as before people were just logging in seeing what was there and then reposting it to the unsecure site.
They didn't want their feed posts be used to shut down what they were watching and didn't want them posted at other sites because of this.
I also know that many of the good feed finders out there no longer posts to any forum out of fear if they post it here it will get reposted to the other unsecure site by someone.
Because an open forum is where it needs to be. This is not a fight for Scott, this is not a fight for SatelliteGuys this is a fight for all of us who love FTA.
Stand up for what you believe in or soon your satellite receiver might be a doorstop. Look at what happened to the 4DTV, nobody stood up and made any noise and look at what happened to it.
Why does Rick Caylor not care about the industry or those who follow it? Making the forums require a login is a 30 second thing to setup. And its effect could help this hobby for many many years by keeping the bots out!
BTW I should note that I did email him about this to his AOL address the other day and got no reply.
Its nice to try acting grown up and saying lets talk offline, but its silly to ignore emails when you try to talk to him ofline. But who knows, hes on AOL there is a chance he didn't get it. (I hate AOL.)
4 posts isn't going to give the mods a decent idea of who you are, and what you stand for. That may be the reason you weren't let in. I think I had over 500 posts or so before I even asked...and I was surprised to be let in then. Because most forums that have private areas, you either have to pay, or a current member of the private area has to propose letting you in, and that nomination is put up to a vote of the current membership of the private area. That keeps out leechers and bugs out. Which is how I would love the WUT to be, as well as Rick's forum. If someone doesn't know who you are, no sensitive info gets shared. That would also keep the networks out.
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