Aren't even really any games to help push it by the end of the year, much of the stuff at the Nintendo Direct this morning is 2014.
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A price cut at this point is a requirement. It'll come about in November I bet to be available for Black Friday and Christmas.
The good news keeps rolling in.. At this point the original Wii is outselling the Wii U..
http://kotaku.com/the-wii-u-sales-are-really-really-bad-973133897
http://kotaku.com/the-wii-u-sales-are-really-really-bad-973133897
It's a dead console. At this point the 'system sellers' are going to give it a bump numbered in the 10s of thousands at best and then it will return to an anemic figure.
I mean really, what happens after this fall and the 4-5 titles relese between now and then that they think are goung to sell the system? People patiently wait a couple years for sequels to those titles? Sure, they're getting the next Batman game... with no multiplayer. The next Call of Duty I think... but it's the smallest install base and not exactly the kind of game you usually pay full price and buy a system for.
The console is dead, will probably never even reach Gamecube and Dreamcast numbers, and I'd be surprised if within 3-4 years I'll be able to buy a Mario game for my toddler to play on our PS4 or Xbox One.
It will take miracles. The kind of miracles that allow them to drop the tablet controller and sell the console for $99. The kind of miracle that lets you use any of your own tablets (or a number of compatible ones) + an inexpensive accessory to create your own tablet controller so they don't have to sell it themselves. $199-250 isn't cheap enough for this console anymore with people spending 3-4x that on new HD consoles this fall.
I mean really, what happens after this fall and the 4-5 titles relese between now and then that they think are goung to sell the system? People patiently wait a couple years for sequels to those titles? Sure, they're getting the next Batman game... with no multiplayer. The next Call of Duty I think... but it's the smallest install base and not exactly the kind of game you usually pay full price and buy a system for.
The console is dead, will probably never even reach Gamecube and Dreamcast numbers, and I'd be surprised if within 3-4 years I'll be able to buy a Mario game for my toddler to play on our PS4 or Xbox One.
It will take miracles. The kind of miracles that allow them to drop the tablet controller and sell the console for $99. The kind of miracle that lets you use any of your own tablets (or a number of compatible ones) + an inexpensive accessory to create your own tablet controller so they don't have to sell it themselves. $199-250 isn't cheap enough for this console anymore with people spending 3-4x that on new HD consoles this fall.
Looks like that desperately needed Wii U price cut isn't coming anytime soon..
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126666-Wii-U-Still-Selling-Below-Cost
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126666-Wii-U-Still-Selling-Below-Cost
That is bad news for Nintendo. If they don't drop the Deluxe model to about $250 or $300 max and get rid of the basic model it is going to be almost impossible for them to sell systems. At $250 a parent or gamer on a budget might pick one up simply because it's cheaper. At $350 they are way to close to the PS4's price point. Most people who know anything about games will spend the extra $50 to get a much more powerful system that actually has good third party support. If people just pass on one Wii U game they will have enough money to buy a PS4 instead.
If Nintendo wants to do their own thing and not worry about building powerful consoles that is fine. They need to sell their system at a price point that reflects that choice though. Even if they are selling at a big loss they are never going to fix their problems and get the Wii U in peoples' homes without a big price drop.
I was always a huge Nintendo guy until I got the Wii. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed it but it couldn't do the games like COD and football. I ended up getting a PS3 and found that I absolutely love it.
I was a Nintendo supporter mostly for the exclusive games they've had since they're the ones I grew up with. I agree with them getting out of the Hardware and just focus on making their games for other platforms. Would love to see a Metroid or Zelda game on the PS3.
I was a Nintendo supporter mostly for the exclusive games they've had since they're the ones I grew up with. I agree with them getting out of the Hardware and just focus on making their games for other platforms. Would love to see a Metroid or Zelda game on the PS3.
We'll see. As a gamer it would be rather surreal to see the 2 former heavyweights, Nintendo and Sega, turning into software only companies.
Very odd but Nintendo needs to adapt to what people want or change their business all together to stay alive.
I just wonder who the hell at Nintendo felt it would be a good idea to release their console first. Historically speaking, other than with the original NES with the third console generation Nintendo has NEVER released their console first. Maybe they thought it would be a good idea to get a big jump on the competition like the 360 did, but at least the 360 had next gen graphics in it's favor. I suppose releasing it the same time as the One and PS4 would have not been advisable either, but it may have allowed for more games to be built up beforehand and help divert the mass exodus that publishers have been doing so far.
Honestly though even with a price cut I don't see myself getting this. They'd need to get this down to like $200 for me to consider it, and even so I'm not sure I'd want it. There's maybe 3 retail games I'd want to pick up, and I don't count virtual console games because I can get those for free online (yeah yeah I know, but it's still not a good sign when your console's best selection are games that came out in the 1980s and 1990s.)
Honestly though even with a price cut I don't see myself getting this. They'd need to get this down to like $200 for me to consider it, and even so I'm not sure I'd want it. There's maybe 3 retail games I'd want to pick up, and I don't count virtual console games because I can get those for free online (yeah yeah I know, but it's still not a good sign when your console's best selection are games that came out in the 1980s and 1990s.)
I agree that they don't have to unless they want to. It still might be the right business move though. The crazy success of the 3DS plus all the money they have stockpiled from their older systems can keep the Wii U and future home consoles afloat for quite some time. If the Wii U can't move consoles and make money keeping it afloat might be against their best interests though.
Think about how many copies Pikmin 3 would have sold if it would have been on PS3 and 360. Think how well the next Mario and Zelda games would sell if they were on PS4 and Xbox One. They could continue to make handhelds and dominate that market and just be a software publisher for the home console market and rake in the cash. Of course, they have enough resources to not do this too.
Regardless of what may be considered a good business move, according to Iwata we'd better not hold our breath for licensed Nintendo properties..
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/126694-Nintendo-Will-Never-Develop-For-Other-Platforms-Says-Iwata
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As long as the 3ds makes buckets of money, and more than subsidizes the underwelming numbers for the wii u, then nintendo will keep making hardware and not license to anyone else.
One bad system is not going to make them leave the game. They and Microsoft got hammered by the PS2, but in the next generation both did very well with the Wii & 360. What ran Sega out of the game was they only had the one system. Wii has the handheld market and Microsoft has Windows, which enabled them to overcome the lower numbers on the Gamecube and Xbox.
One bad system is not going to make them leave the game. They and Microsoft got hammered by the PS2, but in the next generation both did very well with the Wii & 360. What ran Sega out of the game was they only had the one system. Wii has the handheld market and Microsoft has Windows, which enabled them to overcome the lower numbers on the Gamecube and Xbox.
The success they had with the casual market on the Wii is the reason they are still making home consoles. People who normally didn't play games or own any consoles suddenly flocked to Wii Sports for it's motion controls. I think that may have actually hurt Nintendo in the long run though. Their motion gimmick let them get away with releasing an underpowered system that wasn't even really trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft because non-gamers bought it.
The problem is that non-gamers don't buy games or new systems. Most people I know who bought a Wii left them to collect dust after the initial cool factor wore off. They tried to release another underpowered gimmick console with the Wii U but those casuals are no longer there. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have all tried to appeal to the mass, non-gamer audience over the last generation. That is fine and it gave a nice boost to the game industry by expanding the market. As long as they still support actual gamers they will be ok. If game companies take it to far like Wii and Wii U have done they risk alienating the gamer market by worrying too much about the casual gamer.
Yea but,Nintendo has always been geared more towards casual gamers.Don't think hard core gamers have ever been their market.
Not to mention their home market (and bread & butter) is Japan, where casual games have always done better than FPS types (which don't fare so well there). As long as they make money hand over fist in their key markets, they can continue to not care about "hard core" gamers.
...I think the NES and Super NES would like a word with you..
Also, part of the Wii U's early buzz from Nintendo was that they knew they had alienated the hard core gamer market and they claimed that the Wii U would bring them back. Now they can't offer either of those.
I'm also one of those gamers with a Wii that is just collecting dust. I moved into my new house back in October of last year and I still haven't unpacked it. Nintendo and other developers have basically abandoned that platform as well. I think the Kinect stole a LOT of the Wii's thunder because people liked not having to hold a controller and enjoyed the HD graphics as well as true motion tracking. In many ways, for casual gaming a 360 with Kinect is a better investment than a Wii U, especially since not everyone gets a tablet and they never bothered to update their motion tracking. Why would I bother playing Just Dance 4 on the Wii U with the same bad remote tracking (which requires 4 sets of controls for 4 people) when with just 1 Kinect I can have full motion tracking for 4 people (although to be fair, I have found that 4 player Just Dance is a mess and isn't worth it if you're serious about your score and winning.)
The Wii U certainly isn't making money hand over fist. The original Wii is still outselling it along with the struggling PS Vita. They can do whatever they want. Their available cash from the 3DS and past Nintendo products will see to that. How long do they stick with a failing Wii U and wait for this hand over fist money though? Do they really pour huge amounts of money into developing another home console if this one continues to struggle through the current console generation? Yes they have enough money to sustain this for quite a while but why would they want to?
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