UPDATED - New Dish Pricing Info!

[Kheldar]

I don't know why Dish is even considering this rate increase. If they need to increase the rates, they should just increase the programming fees as they do every year, especially if they're really telling the truth about adding a bunch of channels in the same time frame. People would grumble a little, then they'd get on with their lives. Instead, they're taking fees which are stupid to begin with and making them in some cases even more stupid.

The reason is simple: no one, not a single cable or satellite company, advertises their equipment rental prices in their commercials. Also, you actually have to start placing an order on DishNet's website before it mentions the monthly fees for equipment.

So..., the reason for doing it this way is easy: They can compare their programming prices to the programming prices of the competition in their commercials and brag about how much cheaper they are. Unfortunately, unlike most people that frequent this forum, a lot of the general public doesn't research the equipment prices. When they finally find out about the DishNet equipment fees, they will just assume that everyone else charges the same, and not do the research.

So, the reason is simple: They can still claim to have the lowest prices while the hidden fees raise the price to just as high, if not higher, than their competition.

 

[KAB]

HUH?? perhaps u need to reread post#1

I have juan, over and over. Again I don't know what you think you are seeing, but I'm not seeing it. And don't forget this:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-ne...ated-new-dish-pricing-info-2.html#post2061612

 

[Bob Haller]

That I don't know its not listed on the documentation I have seen. I guess we find out on February 1st when the 922 is released.

2010 or feb 2011

 

[whatchel1]

They will not charge you 20.00 shipping if the box goes bad

Never been charged this ever & I've had to return 3 over several years. 1. I had one of the worse version of the 622 and they contacted me and sent new one no charge. 2. exchanged a the 622 when I upgrade to the 722k. 3. The 1st 722k wouldn't obtain an IP addy (turns out D-link and 772k didn't play nice together - others have had same problem). No shipping charges for any of these. Boy how did I get so lucky?

 

[MikeD-C05]

IF you look at the DISH website , they are offering 3 hd receivers to new subs for free: 722k or 612 and two 211ks. This is the way they are leaning for new subs and it keeps your bill like it is today.

722k or 612 with one 6.00 dvr fee
211k x 2 =14.00 or 7.00 for each solo receiver.

So evidently they are moving away from the duo tuner dvr concept entirely. There is no longer going to be any advantage to having one hooked up to a phone line if you have two duo dvrs, because you won't save the $5.00 tv 2 connection fee. But what I find completely wrong about this is that DISH is claiming ONE dvr per account when they already were charging a separate $5.00 dvr fee with any dvr you had extra unless you had AEP.

For example if you had a second 722k on your account you would of paid $12.00 ( $7.00 lease or additional receiver fee + $5.00 dvr fee) Now DISH has eliminated the credit for the $5.00- tv 2 connection fee and you are paying $17.00 for the second 722k come February 1st. But DISH is claiming they did away with the dvr fee PER receiver. Bullsh*t! They kept the fee but rolled it into the new renamed equipment fee instead. I looked all over the DISH website and have yet to find what the additional outlet fee is .


To top that off, they eliminate the DVR /Locals bundle as well making you pay another $1.02 a month for the dvr fee per account. So not only is Charlie still getting the dvr fee per extra dvr receiver , he is also charging everyone the $5.00 tv 2 connection fee that you can no longer receive any credit for , if you plug it in to the phone line or ethernet line. Not to mention that all sd receivers are now as high as their hd counterpart. So no more discount for sd receivers.

So if you have more than one duo dvr on your account you will now pay another $5.00 than you were before for that same dvr. You will also pay an extra $1.02 for the dvr fee if you had the Locals/dvr bundle before. So your bill would go up by $6.02 a month extra total for having one extra dvr on your account .

Now if you had AEP , you will get a $6.00 dvr fee per account , but your programming price is dropping back down to $99.99 a month or $2.99 drop over today. So your bill is really going up by $3.01 for the dvr fee. But if you have multiple duo dvrs on your account , you will get a increase by $10.00 on every one of the duo dvrs on your account. For example you have 6 duo tuner dvrs on your account. For this example let say all 722k receivers.

$03.01 dvr fee (Programming price goes down by $2.99 +$ 6.00 dvr fee )
$50.00 equipment fee increase ( $10.00 x 5)
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$56.00 increase for your bill monthly over what you are paying today.

YIKES!!

 

[Jonhern]

Since Dish will allow up to six leased tuners as of Feb 1st, let's assume 3 duo dvrs for maximum dvr feeage-

Classic Silver 200 - $52.99
DVR Fee $6
2nd duodvr - $17
3rd duodvr - $17
Total - $92.99

Choice Package (Mar 2010) - $58.99
DVR Fee $6
5 addt'l receivers - $25
Total - $89.99

Dish is a little more, except that with direct as a new customer you had to pay $500 to get five additional dvrs, whereas if dish upgrade fees remain the same, you'll only be paying $200 in upgrade fees.

Taking that down to four tv's with dvr, dish wins the monthly price war $75.99 to $79.99, and $200 less in upgrade fees.

It will take 100 months, or 8 years, to make up the difference in the extra receiver fees that you pay up front ($300) because you are only saving $3 with Direct.

 

[Bob Haller]

ANY big increase over a few bucks will see me cancel on principle alone.

It sounds like the cable piggie person has reached E for greater profits.

but they wouldnt get my money

the whole purpose of phone line connection was mostly to prevent account stacking.

if theres no incentive to keep phone lines connected stacking will skyocket...

I doubt thats what they want

 

[Jonhern]

Ok, I think I got it now for my service after Feb 1st

62.99 for 250 Package
722K (most expensive of the two so zero fee)
612 10 Dollars
DVR 6.00
HD/Platimum 10.00, but I got in the the "Free platimum/HD" so I have 10.00 credit

So 62.99 (250 package)+10 (612 fee)+6.00 (DVR fee)=78.99 plus a few dollars with tax, if I am right price seems ok with me with two HD DVRS and three TV's. The ten dollar HD credit is big right now, glad I got in on that! Thanks to scott and Sat guys for that

Though the price AEP/DVR no fee waive, put me over seeing there was no real reason to have AEP now.

How do you get the $10 credit for HD?

 

[teachsac]

I think Dish (once again) is totally confused and unaware what these fees will do. So I save a couple dollars with AEP, but gain $17 in receiver and DVR fees. Don't think so.

S~

 

[Bob Haller]

the 17 bucks per box is highway robbery. I will go to FIOS tv , and honestly i hate verizon but E must be dreaming if they think this pigie will fly.

 

[jerichohol]

...E must be dreaming if they think this pigie will fly.

A price increase this sizeable is a mistake, but only in terms of how it affects existing customers, and that will likely be a short term hiccup. Prices still compare favorably to direct even for multiple receivers, and if you just need one or two tvs, dish compares more favorably to direct in 2010 than it did in 2009.

 

[Mike_H]

How do you get the $10 credit for HD?

If you are paying for Platinum HD, you shouldn't be. Call dish and bitch at them for charging you for a service that doesn't exist anymore. Gold HD has all the channels that Gold HD + Platinum HD used to, thus Platinum HD was discontinued, but dish keeps charging folks for it.

As far as the price increase, every rumor out of Dish is more confusing than the next. About all I'm sure of is that if I do nothing, my cost is likely to go up, again. If I drop to AT250 in February it looks like I could save over $20 per month compared to what I'm paying today. That's about the only benefit the single DVR fee will give us is that for multi-dvr families not using the AEP pack, you should see a savings. Of course most of those people had the AEP pack because they wanted the savings of saving DVR fees.

 

[Kheldar]

the 17 bucks per box is highway robbery. I will go to FIOS tv , and honestly i hate verizon but E must be dreaming if they think this pigie will fly.

FIOS charges $19.99 for their multi-room HD-DVR, and it still requires a separate box at the 2nd tv, at an additional rental cost of $9.99 for HD receiver or $5.99 for an SD receiver.

So to get the closest to DISHnet's Duo HD-DVR, you would need $19.99 Home Media DVR and a $5.99 SD box for 2nd TV, total $25.98 per month.

And you think $17 is highway robbery? FIOS is more than 50% higher in rental fees.


"The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence, but just remember what fertilizer is made of, and watch your step." -- Kheldar

 

[satjay]

While the Satguys subs only are a few of the millions of subs Dish has it looks like Dish might see lower sub montly averages with so many of us dropping AEP.

 

[MikeD-C05]

But you are getting a multi Room HD DVR that allows you to watch programs on any tv in your house. THis is what I think DISH meant when they gave Scott an update saying that everyone will want to keep their receivers hooked up to the phone or ethernet. DISH must be moving to that direction and having 211k or solo tuner receivers hooked up to other tvs in your house instead of duo tuner dvrs is the way they seem to be leaning , if you look at their website. That is what they advertise for new subs 3HD receivers FREE!

 

[Jonhern]

the 17 bucks per box is highway robbery. I will go to FIOS tv , and honestly i hate verizon but E must be dreaming if they think this pigie will fly.

Thats why i switched from Fios, they charge $20 for a home media hd dvr and $15 for an hd dvr. But you also have to take into account that their equipment just sucks, so many problems and small hard drive space. If you have hd the dvr fills up fast and you can not add extra storage. Most of the saving in switching to dish was in the equiment fees.
what we had w/ Fios
$20 home hd dvr
$15 hd dvr
$12 (2) sd or $20 if we had hd on our two other hd sets
Total: $47 with sd, $55 with hd

Dish (new pricing)
First free 612
$10 612
$14 (2) hd 211k (one w/ EHD to make it hd dvr, an extra $15 w/ fios)
$6 dvr fee
Total: $30 all hd, and I got all my boxes for free so had no upgrade charges. So for me it is still better with dish not to mention the fact the the DVR is worlds apart from the Fios DVR. For those paying the $17 for a duo, with fios you would need to pay 20 for the home dvr which shares with any non dvr box, but still another $6 for the extra sd box and $10 for the hd box, and you can not watch hd recorded content on the sd boxes, and from my experience, about half the capacity in hd content for the dvr.

 

[anchovie]

Scott,
Thanks for the detailed points. The 250 package is quoted $62.99 w/ locals. If I want to compare this to mine current monthly charges please help:
Classic Silver 200 w/DVR: $57.99
Classic Gold 250: $10.00
GoldHD: $10.00
DVR Receiver: $12.00
Any increases with this arrangement?
Thanks.

 

[Jonhern]

If you are paying for Platinum HD, you shouldn't be. Call dish and bitch at them for charging you for a service that doesn't exist anymore. Gold HD has all the channels that Gold HD + Platinum HD used to, thus Platinum HD was discontinued, but dish keeps charging folks for it.

As far as the price increase, every rumor out of Dish is more confusing than the next. About all I'm sure of is that if I do nothing, my cost is likely to go up, again. If I drop to AT250 in February it looks like I could save over $20 per month compared to what I'm paying today. That's about the only benefit the single DVR fee will give us is that for multi-dvr families not using the AEP pack, you should see a savings. Of course most of those people had the AEP pack because they wanted the savings of saving DVR fees.

yeah i am already getting that, I thought they were saying there was a way to get rid of the hd fee.

 

[Bob Haller]

wonder if anyone at E knows what they are doing.

these changes will likely irritate existing long term high value AEP subs.

the 17 buck no discount for phone connection is what upsets me...........

and really they would be better off to build a single box media server for each home. to elminate stacking issues.

wonder if Es troubles with the 922 are discouraging dual tuner boxes?

the 922 seems a very troubled release.

or are they trying to raise revenue to cover a big TIVO lawsuit fiasco?

charlie should of bought TIVO many years ago

 

[ts7]

But you are getting a multi Room HD DVR that allows you to watch programs on any tv in your house. THis is what I think DISH meant when they gave Scott an update saying that everyone will want to keep their receivers hooked up to the phone or ethernet.

I really don't think Dish will be sharing programming via the modem jack.

With everyone else seemingly coming out with HD MVR, Dish would be at a disadvantage. I would be shocked if the technology was not already built in to the VIP series, but is being limited due to other non-tech factors.