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Exactly. Always attack the message, not the messenger.
Agree, If I have to listen to the same non stop Dish Defense post, than there should be no reason the same people can't listen to the same non stop posts that are part of the actual topic.
The Missing Tribune channels ON DISH.

Now where is the next thread on the other local Channel dispute, You know the one that was shown a few posts back about Directv.


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Facts aren't opinion. Where have you seen me defend Dish instead of the facts at hand? Plus you've seen me be critical of Dish when it warrants as well.
 
The point that keeps flying over the heads of the barn-slingers is that there is nothing comparable!!! Dish now has many more inexpensive choices than the competition with Welcome, Smart, Flex Packs and the add-ons. And to swing back to the original point that started this, they wouldn't have been possible without the past channel dishputes and dishruptions.
Here's one.
The only Fact is Dish has inexpensive choices compared to the competition.
The rest Opinion.
There is nothing substantial to support Dish getting into channel disputes keeps the cost down.
ZERO!

The competition could sell cheaper packages if they chose too, But if sales are good, And customers are willing to spend than why bother.

Dish cheaper packages has done NOTHING to support growth.
These Disputes just keep pissing off most customers from upgrading or even spending additional money with Dish.
So in turn they have no choice but to Undercut the competition.
And give customers a cheap (Please don't leave us) package.

I certainly wouldn't pay more monthly for Dish services vs Directv. That would be a rip off.
Dish's prices are right in check for what they actually offer, And the numerous disputes that go along with its miniscule cheaper price.


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I never once made the claim that the disputes keep the costs down. But just giving in to the demands of content owners without any pushback would raise prices even more. It's just common sense.

What I did say is that the disputes are not just about cost. As been reported here many times by many people, disputes are also about bundling, which packages the channels are offered in, and delivery methods (like Sling). Other competitors could offer cheaper/smaller packages, but only if they are contractually allowed to do so, thus they would need to negotiate for the rights to offer the channel in a new package. That is part of what some of the other disputes were about (and why we saw new channels show up in SlingTV after a new agreement is reached). Now with the advent of the Flex package, it appears that was also another negotiation point that may have delayed renewal.
 
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I never once made the claim that the disputes keep the costs down. But just giving in to the demands of content owners without any pushback would raise prices even more. It's just common sense.

What I did say is that the disputes are not just about cost. As been reported here many times by many people, disputes are also about bundling, which packages the channel are offered in, and delivery methods (like Sling). Other competitors could offer cheaper/smaller packages, but only if they are contractually allowed to do so, thus they would need to negotiate for the rights to offer the channel in a new package. That is part of what some of the other disputes were about (and why we saw new channels show up in SlingTV after a new agreement is reached). Now with the advent of the Flex package, it appears that was also another negotiation point that may have delayed renewal.
And Directv has a Bundle pack right now, that's $200 for 4 rooms HD DVR Select pack. With 4 Smart phone with unlimited data.
Everyone has cheap alternativeso.

Some just have to be cheaper.

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Bundling with another service (like Comcast and now ATT/DTV do) has nothing to do with which package channels are in. In the example you gave, the channels are still in the Select Pack, regardless of whether it's part of a bundle with another (non-TV) service. Try again.

And that's cheap? I don't pay anywhere near $200 for TV and 3 lines of cell service at my house. Even before I switched to a cheaper TV package that saves me $30/mo. I don't need unlimited data, I don't need 4 lines of service, I don't need 4 rooms with TV, so why would I pay for it?
 
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Bundling with another service (like Comcast and now ATT/DTV do) has nothing to do with which package channels are in. In the example you gave, the channels are still in the Select Pack, regardless of whether it's part of a bundle with another (non-TV) service. Try again.

And that's cheap? I don't pay anywhere near $200 for TV and 3 lines of cell service at my house. Even before I switched to a cheaper TV package that saves me $30/mo. I don't need unlimited data, I don't need 4 lines of service, I don't need 4 rooms with TV, so why would I pay for it?
You don't, good for you and all you single guys.

But the family of 5 or more are the ones that need the break.

I pay $155 alone for Dish services.
That's not including the $12 DVR credit and $10 auto pay credit that expires in 11 months.
Also I get HBO, Showtime for $7.50, Movie pack $5.
My 4 Cell phone cost me another $175 per month alone.

So again Dish isn't that cheap as you all seem to make it out to be.

I don't want a nothing pack like Flex pack.
Neither does the 5 others in the house.

I would love to see your total breakdown.

I'll show you mine.
Att and Dish.



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$53 for Comcast 25mb broadband
$64 Dish Smart Pack+Heartland+MoviePack+DVR fee for 2 TVs
$68 3 lines Family plan Consumer Cellular

$185 total

3 member household.

It's your own choices that makes Dish no cheaper than others. But Dish does give everyone more options for saving money. The higher you go, the more equipment you have, the less of a cost difference there is.
 
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Just to clarify, what you're saying is with Dish, you pick how much you want to pay, whereas with the DTV comparison, you pay a lot or pay regular price for it all?
 
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Wow. Thought I would check out the Dish side of the house since I am currently not thrilled with DirecTV, but damn, I think I will stay were I am after reading this thread.
 
Now some of you (depending on where you live) have already missed the U.S. Open Golf Tournament on Fox (June 16-19), Game 6 of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals on NBC (June 12) and Games 5, 6 and 7 (June 13, 16 and 19 respectively) of a historical NBA Finals on ABC.

And next up, the 87th MLB All-Star Game on Fox (July 12), The (British) Open Golf Championships (July 16-17) and the Summer Olympic Games from Rio (August 5-21) on NBC, and the American PGA Championships (July 30-31) on CBS. Oh, and this Saturday's Coke Zero 500 from Daytona on NBC is likely gone, as are four of the MLB on Fox games (June 18-July 9).

I expect this blackout to last into the New Year, which means no World Series (Oct. 25-Oct. 29/30/Nov. 1/2) and no Super Bowl LI (Feb. 5, 2017) on Fox, and the entire 2016-17 College and NFL season could also be wiped out for some, if not all.

It's going to be a long, dark summer, fall and winter on DISH.

All sports. Not everyone cares about sports, and even less about watching them on TV.

And if for some reason there some even that's really that important to you, Sports Bars are everywhere.
Go nurse a coke and an appetizer for the event.
 
Also, i'm so far in the country that i have very slow dsl (around 1 mb/sec or so) which totally sucks for trying to stream video. Dish mentions online to go to nbc's website to watch the shows that are missed at night, but that's not feasible for us.

There are options...

One might be cellular. If you can get a LTE (or HSPA+) signal either on a mifi device or tethering a phone.
 
Well I do know no one is saving $20 or $30 a month, for anything comparable!!!!

Because it is hard to see the difference in pricing without the actual cost and comparison, here is the breakdown. You will see with two rooms it is very comparable in tuners, packages, etc.

Directv (I called the CSR he said the only install now for DVR is the Genie - if that is not true and there is a less expensive one that would change the savings)
One Genie, One Mini, Five tuners. (Six if using OTA)
Ultimate package
HBO
Total = $142 ($122 package and equipment fees/DVR + $5.00 Sports Surcharge + $15 HBO)

DISH
Two VIP receivers, four tuners (Six if using OTA)
Top 250
HBO
Total = $120 ($110 Package and equipment fees/DVR unless grandfathered + $10 HBO) (Note more savings with loss of a tuner on each DVR is possible)

If someone wants to say the Genie is a more advanced newer receiver, compared to the VIP yes though not as more advanced as the Hopper. But you are paying $300 a year for that advancement with the Genie over the VIP.

The point is there is a choice with DISH to get the same programming, about the same tuners on still good receivers, still being installed to this day and pay alot less. So something DISH is doing is allowing customers to save more than just a few dollars.
 
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sigh....so again.....not apples to apples......do you ever stop?.....Have fun enjoy your great company in Dish.....I have both and they both are a rip off......Only game for me in 2 different towns 1700 miles away......

I dont own dish nor direct......but you fan boys never can let thing go can you?.....Hey I like chevys...I wont buy jap crap....so I can only compare a Ford when I shop.....I dont try and jump the shark like so many of you do.....Keep jumping I could care less.....

I cant get what I want on one of my accounts....so I pay $300 more in your world.....Your still dropping $1404 bucks not counting tax, and one of my accounts the tax is double, so savings are less...to high for all of us.....But I wont stick up for either company.
 
Because it is hard to see the difference in pricing without the actual cost and comparison, here is the breakdown. You will see with two rooms it is very comparable in tuners, packages, etc.

Directv (I called the CSR he said the only install now for DVR is the Genie - if that is not true and there is a less expensive one that would change the savings)
One Genie, One Mini, Five tuners. (Six if using OTA)
Ultimate package
HBO
Total = $142 ($122 package and equipment fees/DVR + $5.00 Sports Surcharge + $15 HBO)

DISH
Two VIP receivers, four tuners (Six if using OTA)
Top 250
HBO
Total = $117 ($107 Package and equipment fees/DVR + $10 HBO) (Note more savings with loss of a tuner on each DVR is possible)
If someone wants to say the Genie is a more advanced newer receiver, compared to the VIP yes though not as more advanced as the Hopper. But you are paying $300 a year for that advancement with the Genie over the VIP.

The point is there is a choice with DISH to get the same programming, about the same tuners on still good receivers, still being installed to this day and pay alot less. So something DISH is doing is allowing customers to save more than just a few dollars.
What is the current ViP DVR fee (non-grandfathered)? Is it $10, $12?

Anyway, even if you change out the 2 ViPs to a H3 + Joey2.0, you're still only adding at most $5 to the Dish total, right? And you're gaining 10+ tuners.
 

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