Tribune Broadcasting Company Blacks Out DISH Customers in 33 Markets;

[Tom Stein]

Now some of you (depending on where you live) have already missed the U.S. Open Golf Tournament on Fox (June 16-19), Game 6 of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals on NBC (June 12) and Games 5, 6 and 7 (June 13, 16 and 19 respectively) of a historical NBA Finals on ABC.

And next up, the 87th MLB All-Star Game on Fox (July 12), The (British) Open Golf Championships (July 16-17) and the Summer Olympic Games from Rio (August 5-21) on NBC, and the American PGA Championships (July 30-31) on CBS. Oh, and this Saturday's Coke Zero 500 from Daytona on NBC is likely gone, as are four of the MLB on Fox games (June 18-July 9).

I expect this blackout to last into the New Year, which means no World Series (Oct. 25-Oct. 29/30/Nov. 1/2) and no Super Bowl LI (Feb. 5, 2017) on Fox, and the entire 2016-17 College and NFL season could also be wiped out for some, if not all.

It's going to be a long, dark summer, fall and winter on DISH.

 

[Tom Stein]

I still don't have FOX and CW in St Louis.

Neither do I.

 

[Tampa8]

I expect this blackout to last into the New Year.

What are you basing that kind of statement on? There is no dispute DISH has had that lasted 6 Months or even close. Any dispute that lasted anything near that long would mean the station(s) are not coming back. (Like the two RSN's in NY) Further, do you really think the FCC would not get involved, in fact If not ended relatively soon that is exactly what I expect.

 

[Tampa8]

Rev just doesn't want to not be able to watch his favorite show on WGN he had never heard of until Tribune wrote him a check

Unfortunately for the Black community he doesn't really want to help anyone but himself.

 

[Willh699]

well, i wouldn't be surprise if these channels never come back and Dish is forced to use a distant in markets where Tribune owns a local station and replace with the closet market to the ones affected.

i wouldn't be surprise if the FCC gets involved in this like they did with the Sinclair Broadcasting Company dispute.

 

[dennispap]

I definitely want to see a picture of this Free Antenna.

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. Here you go. Doesn't work for me.

 

[bobvick]

well, i wouldn't be surprise if these channels never come back and Dish is forced to use a distant in markets where Tribune owns a local station and replace with the closet market to the ones affected.

i wouldn't be surprise if the FCC gets involved in this like they did with the Sinclair Broadcasting Company dispute.

First, they cannot import a distant station to replace the disputed station, if they could, you don't think they would already be doing that? And if they could do that, Tribune would lose most of its leverage.
Secondly, if the FCC got (or gets) involved, then the stations will surely come back to Dish, so they would by definition not "never come back."

 

[Deadlocked]

Dish put NBCSN in free preview mode for the whole 2 markets(OKC being mine) Tribune Media has NBC so we could watch at least some of the Olympics. I dont think thats a good sign that the 2 companies are even remotely close.

No it's just in freeview anyway. *takes your tinfoil hat and burns it*


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[Deadlocked]

Now some of you (depending on where you live) have already missed the U.S. Open Golf Tournament on Fox (June 16-19), Game 6 of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals on NBC (June 12) and Games 5, 6 and 7 (June 13, 16 and 19 respectively) of a historical NBA Finals on ABC.

And next up, the 87th MLB All-Star Game on Fox (July 12), The (British) Open Golf Championships (July 16-17) and the Summer Olympic Games from Rio (August 5-21) on NBC, and the American PGA Championships (July 30-31) on CBS. Oh, and this Saturday's Coke Zero 500 from Daytona on NBC is likely gone, as are four of the MLB on Fox games (June 18-July 9).

I expect this blackout to last into the New Year, which means no World Series (Oct. 25-Oct. 29/30/Nov. 1/2) and no Super Bowl LI (Feb. 5, 2017) on Fox, and the entire 2016-17 College and NFL season could also be wiped out for some, if not all.

It's going to be a long, dark summer, fall and winter on DISH.

Not really. Tribune mostly does CW networks in their markets. It's why it was a huge stress point of if CW would even continue (they finally agreed to terms a few months back)


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[Chris Walker]

Now some of you (depending on where you live) have already missed the U.S. Open Golf Tournament on Fox (June 16-19), Game 6 of the NHL Stanley Cup Finals on NBC (June 12) and Games 5, 6 and 7 (June 13, 16 and 19 respectively) of a historical NBA Finals on ABC.

And next up, the 87th MLB All-Star Game on Fox (July 12), The (British) Open Golf Championships (July 16-17) and the Summer Olympic Games from Rio (August 5-21) on NBC, and the American PGA Championships (July 30-31) on CBS. Oh, and this Saturday's Coke Zero 500 from Daytona on NBC is likely gone, as are four of the MLB on Fox games (June 18-July 9).

I expect this blackout to last into the New Year, which means no World Series (Oct. 25-Oct. 29/30/Nov. 1/2) and no Super Bowl LI (Feb. 5, 2017) on Fox, and the entire 2016-17 College and NFL season could also be wiped out for some, if not all.

It's going to be a long, dark summer, fall and winter on DISH.

I didn't know Tribune's PR guy was a member here?

 

[HobbyTalk]

IMHO I don't think that guide data is copyrightable, they are facts or stats, much like the schedule of a baseball team. As long as Dish does not use the same format that the stations publish (rearrange or rewrite the facts) they would not infringe on the station's property. Much like a food recipe, you can't copyright the ingredients (individual program data), but you can copyright the recipe (guide data). While it may never have been taken to court to resolve it, maybe Dish is willing to push it.

 

[Hall]

IMHO I don't think that guide data is copyrightable, they are facts or stats

I always doubted that claim that the guide data is copyrighted, especially by the station. For one, much of the programming they show isn't theirs. The show's creator/current owner is the only entity that could possibly make a copyright claim. Sure, a station's own programming is theirs and in turn, the "info" belongs to them. In that case, Dish would have to turn it all off to be on the safe side (blanking out station-owned info is completely impractical). Secondly, the guide data that Dish displays is not what the station provides or at least I've never seen from PSIP ! The station provides their programming details to whoever-Dish-uses-currently. It likely includes the date/time, program name, episode #, and ???. From there, Dish's guide provider matches it up, packages it up, and sends it to Dish.

As you say, Dish or their guide provider can write their own summary. I mean, is this copyrightable ?

The Big Bang Theory, The Application Deterioration
Raj's girl problems continue so the girls attempt to give him relationship advice. Also, Howard, Leonard, and Sheldon debate following through with their invention after the military shows interest in it.

This is showing tonight (6/30/2016, 8pm, on CBS)

 

[dare2be]

Maybe copyright isn't the right word. We all know there is a cost involved to providing guide data services (otherwise Tivo service fees or lifetime service would be so expensive). So maybe calling it theft of services would be more appropriate.

 

[MitchDeerfield]

TV listings are bought and paid for by Dish Network. They are all supplied by Tribune Media Services and are not affected by the current tv blackout.

 

[Troch77]

TV listings are bought and paid for by Dish Network. They are all supplied by Tribune Media Services and are not affected by the current tv blackout.

Well apparently they were "affected" since the guide data has only shown up a day ago.

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[Tampa8]

Not really. Tribune mostly does CW networks in their markets. It's why it was a huge stress point of if CW would even continue (they finally agreed to terms a few months back)


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I would have to guess the CW stations involved can't be off the air on DISH too long. They need all the eyes possible. And we're talking some big markets, LA, NY, Denver etc... And I also have to think DISH knows that. Each side has a downside of course to not having the channels available. I have Zero doubt DISH truly wants the FCC to get involved with locals disputes and that they think DISH has the stronger case as to why they happen so often. I think the Networks/Locals are getting themselves in a precarious situation. DISH and of course others has to negotiate for the exact same Nighttime programming and sometimes the same daytime in each Market, sometimes lumped together like with Tribune. Local newscasts and where done local programming is what makes each station different. There are other Local Newscasts available. I can't help but remember what Charlie said during the AMC dispute, that they have devalued their product by making it available without a TV subscription.
So from the DISH perspective put those two things together, negotiating over and over for the same nighttime programming AND that programming is available while still staying with DISH both OTA and now online in many cases.

Now look at HBO. HBO fully understood the devaluation problem and held off on a separate subscription for a long time. Once they did offer it, it certainly would appear they made an agreement with Cable and Satellite to lower their price to compete with the online subscription. They were very smart about that, keeping maybe even gaining subs with Cable and Satellite and adding separate online subscriptions all made up and more for the drop in price. DISH took it to an even more enticing level at $10. So HBO went in the opposite direction of the Networks.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

My understanding is (and this can be wrong I only heard it from one contact)

DISH is PAYING Gracenote extra for the Tribune Guide Data. Normally the guide data for stations like Tribune is covered under their blanket agreement. Since that blanket agreement no longer exists DISH is paying Extra for the guide data to pass it along.

So if true maybe talks are not as close as I hoped yesterday.

 

[Tampa8]

My understanding is (and this can be wrong I only heard it from one contact)

DISH is PAYING Gracenote extra for the Tribune Guide Data. Normally the guide data for stations like Tribune is covered under their blanket agreement. Since that blanket agreement no longer exists DISH is paying Extra for the guide data to pass it along.

So if true maybe talks are not as close as I hoped yesterday.

That would seem to fit with how DISH is handling this one. More emphasis on a free OTA antenna and less on giving discounts.

 

[Peter Parker]

No guide data for the tribune owned superststions though.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

No guide data for the tribune owned superststions though.

Superstations are not available via OTA.