TIVO vs E*
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The same answer when asked on 5/30/08, when would be a contempt?
Sorry that some development is involved in putting out a new product.
It'll be out before this case is over.
Sorry proof by clear and convincing evidence is involved too
It may never come out once this contempt issue is over.
Sorry proof by clear and convincing evidence is involved too
It may never come out once this contempt issue is over.
Sorry, I disagree. Liberty Media is friendly with TiVo.
Have you personally read the patents?
The patents contain lots of obscure diagrams and definitions relating to hardware and software. Some portions didn't stand in this case.
Reasonable questions. Thank you HobbyTalk.
I believe the TiVo service on Comcast's Moto DVRs is a pathfinder for Tru2way. That fact that it is still only in one market and not taking over the world indicates to my mind that the technical issues are much more difficult than Comcast anticipated. The latency and flakyness of a network based service is holding things back more than the $3. Comcast is offering it for free as part of a new customer bundle, so the $3 should not influence the uptake rate there at all. Cable may need new hardware and a new architecture before things start working better.
The new D* box will not be a network implementation and and should work as well as the HR2Xs it's likely siblings hardware wise. I expect the new D* box to stop the sub loss at D*, but not necessarily run the sub count back up as substantially as some would hope. It will still be a D* box with limitations compared with the TiVo stand alone offerings and I don't see that changing until the government forces seperable security on satellite.
How does that relate to the current litigation? I think that the current litigation with E* has put a cloud over TiVo and resolution, one way or the other, will lift that cloud. Even if TiVo loses here, I expect their business to improve, just perhaps not with the same product and/or licensing mix.
Not one single word of TiVo's patent has ever been found to be invalid. Not by the USPTO, not by a judge, not by a jury, or anyone else. You are misinformed.
Really? Bummer. I guess it's back to cable for me then. Oh well, I was getting tired of being bent over for the Sunday Ticket and Center Ice.
It's stupid short sighted stuff like this that made me go to DirecTV in the first place 15 years ago.
So would I. For a doorstop....
I'm on my third HR in less than 2 years. You can keep that piece of junk.
Had the same HR20 for the last 2 years and never had a single issue. 2 TiVO's, both missed recordings, both would reset for no reason, and the interface is the worst of any DVR (Every task involves multiple steps and navigation through multiple folders).
<Fact> NOT ONE SINGLE WORD OF THE PATENTS WAS CHANGED <fact>
I'll say it again. Thanks to Charlie's money Tivo's patents are bulletproof. They stood up to the re-examination unscathed and will stand up to the re-re-examination 4 or 5 years from now.
The USPTO is going to miss Charlie's "contributions" when the Judge in TX finally shuts down all of Charlie's DVR's. I can't wait to hear what Charlie is going to tell his (ex) customers, as they run for the exits because their "stubborn" CEO overplayed his hand and not only cost himself 5x what it would have cost him 2 years ago, but he's going to have to explain why he has to turn their DVR's off.
Of course he'll blame the victim, stomp his feet, hold his "breadth", and drag this all the way to the Supreme Court (again) but in the long run he has no one to blame but his "stubborn" self. He could have settled for $1.50 a box, but since he fancies himself a big poker player, he went "all in", with a pair of deuces. He's managed to overplay his hand to the point of costing him at least $5.00 a box and at LEAST another $200 million in damages.
And if he keeps going he may just litigate himself into treble damages too!
I have to admit it's funny watching Charlie try to take down an 800 lb. gorilla with a pea shooter. :haha But I feel sorry for the Dish customers that are going to be staring at a blank screen come the day of reckoning which is coming sooner than Charlie thinks.
The DirecTiVo box, when and if it ever comes out, will still be basically the same DirecTV developed hardware running a TiVo developed UI. If you think you had problems with hardware and software that was developed by a single company, what makes you think that hardware developed by one company loaded with software that was developed and then modified to use someone else's hardware has any chance of being more stable?
I must live in bizzaro world. Those are the exact problems I've had with my HR (not including the 1st one that pooped the bed a week after getting it) that I HAVEN'T had with my DTivos.
Uh, did I miss something? Isn't the current HR20 hardware developed by DirecTV with NDS doing the software? So isn't TiVo just replacing NDS?
In other words, didn't your entire argument just go up in smoke?
Rich and Hobby,
When people have trouble with a certain product, they generally reach the conclusion that all products from the same source are bad. It's human nature. It sounds like you each got some lemons and had bad experiences that should not have happened to either of you.
I expect the TiVo interface on the DTV box will be pretty darn stable for the vast majority of users. The two companies have worked together int he past and present to maintain the HR10-250s and and have learned to work together well enough that the new one should end up being a good box. Those that don't like the TiVo interface will probably not like it, but to each his own. Then again, it may end up having a new interface if TiVo search is any hint of where GUI design is going. Of course there will be people who won't like that either. It will be good to have choices.
When people have trouble with a certain product, they generally reach the conclusion that all products from the same source are bad. It's human nature. It sounds like you each got some lemons and had bad experiences that should not have happened to either of you.
I expect the TiVo interface on the DTV box will be pretty darn stable for the vast majority of users. The two companies have worked together int he past and present to maintain the HR10-250s and and have learned to work together well enough that the new one should end up being a good box. Those that don't like the TiVo interface will probably not like it, but to each his own. Then again, it may end up having a new interface if TiVo search is any hint of where GUI design is going. Of course there will be people who won't like that either. It will be good to have choices.
The first thing I did when I got my first TiVO was to turn that annoying noise off.But... but.... TiVo has that awesome "boop" sound!
Originally NDS did the software for the D* boxes, but in recent months DirecTV has taken over all development and all the HR2X's now have DirecTV code, not NDS.
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