The YouTube TV Thread

[spencer7779]

YouTube TV's biggest stumbling block to greatly expanding its user base (and thus quelling suggestions that it's doomed as a money loser) is that it limits itself to markets where it can provide most of, if not all, of the local affiliates. This is where PS Vue stumbled badly. Last fall, they dropped the reduced Slim package pricing in areas that didn't have all or most of its locals on the promise it would be adding them sooner than later. But thanks in part to the Sinclair merger debacle, not only are they not fulfilling that promise, places that once had all their locals are losing one or two. I lost my Fox, which pushed me into finally giving YTTV a shot after 20 otherwise satisfied months with Vue.

As far as the future of OTT, whatever the complaints people have about these various services, I very rarely hear of someone in the many cord-cutter groups I'm active in going back to cable or satellite after trying them out. And the ones who do go back are usually much older folk and/or people who got offered a sweetheart (limited time) deal to come back. And speaking of my groups, I was quite surprised with how few of the YTTV folk were troubled by the recently implemented DVR restrictions. Most just loved, loved, loved the service and got tired of hearing the complaints from us cranky old men who'd grown accustomed to the standard cable/sat DVR functions over the past 15+ years.

Vue just added a National Fox feed.

 

[Zookster]

Vue just added a National Fox feed.

That's actually what I ended up with on YTTV, but once I made the switch, I got grandfathered in at the $35 price, so it will take some other incentive to go back to paying $45/mo for Vue.

 

[harshness]

Suffer? Vue blows away anything Satellite or Cable can offer

This demands a verifiable and convincing argument rather than merely setting fire to a straw man.

 

[spencer7779]

This demands a verifiable and convincing argument rather than merely setting fire to a straw man.

Fact, people are rapidly dropping cable/satellite and turning to streaming . Fact. Streaming has a higher customer satisfaction than cable/satellite.

 

[harshness]

Fact, people are rapidly dropping cable/satellite and turning to streaming .

Source?

Fact. Streaming has a higher customer satisfaction than cable/satellite.

This needs a source as well. Given the market shares, would those satisfaction numbers scale to 10 times the number of subscribers?

How much of the satisfaction is tempered by the knowledge that they're saving lots of money in the building stages of these services as they bleed money to gain market share?

 

[spencer7779]

Source?This needs a source as well. Given the market shares, would those satisfaction numbers scale to 10 times the number of subscribers?

How much of the satisfaction is tempered by the knowledge that they're saving lots of money in the building stages of these services as they bleed money to gain market share?

You can't be that ignorant. There is something called Google . I guess you are also hanging on to 8 track tapes, wating for a comback.

Cable and satellite TV are in crisis as cord-cutting speeds up again in 2017

 

[comfortably_numb]

Fact, people are rapidly dropping cable/satellite and turning to streaming . Fact. Streaming has a higher customer satisfaction than cable/satellite.

Not everyone has access to broadband.

 

[harshness]

You can't be that ignorant.

You need to be careful about quoting re-bloggers such as Fierce Cable. They don't often originate the information that they offer and it occasionally contradicts itself or is misinterpreted in the process of trying to make it look distinct from the source.

Relative numbers are pretty useless without context. That DIRECTV and DISH lost more customers than YTTV, PSVue and DIRECTV Now have combined shows that not all of those customers are headed for those services.

Finally, any information source that doesn't include a date should be summarily tossed. Articles such as the one that you quoted should be discounted as stale as the information is 50 days old. A more recent report from the same source (Leichtman Research) indicates that the slide in 2018 isn't looking as bad as that of 2017 by percentage. DIRECTV is bleeding profusely, but they're also among the most expensive services out there and they aren't exactly tearing it up with programming and hardware innovation.

 

[spencer7779]

You need to be careful about quoting re-bloggers such as Fierce Cable. They don't often originate the information that they offer and it occasionally contradicts itself or is misinterpreted in the process of trying to make it look distinct from the source.

Relative numbers are pretty useless without context. That DIRECTV and DISH lost more customers than YTTV, PSVue and DIRECTV Now have combined shows that not all of those customers are headed for those services.

Finally, any information source that doesn't include a date should be summarily tossed. Articles such as the one that you quoted should be discounted as stale as the information is 50 days old. A more recent report from the same source (Leichtman Research) indicates that the slide in 2018 isn't looking as bad as that of 2017 by percentage. DIRECTV is bleeding profusely, but they're also among the most expensive services out there and they aren't exactly tearing it up with programming and hardware innovation.

Somebody is in denial

 

[comfortably_numb]

Somebody is in denial

State facts and quote reliable sources. It’s not polite to call other forum members names either.

 

[IcEWoLF]

I've seen less and less commercials for YouTube TV, I guess it ain't doing all that too well.

They expanded in Vegas but no Reno still...

 

[harshness]

Somebody is in denial

Somebody is gulping the OTT Kool-Aide and flushing the important electrolytes from their brain.

You made a specious statement and labeled it as fact but offered only dated evidence to back up half of the equation (that Big Pay TV is losing customers -- DUH) without any evidence that OTT is picking up those customers. Your "facts" are not well supported by your evidence.

 

[harshness]

I've seen less and less commercials for YouTube TV, I guess it ain't doing all that too well.

That's probably not a reasonable interpretation. Maybe they've reached a point where they need to step back and figure out where they're going from here or whether it is worth the effort to move forward. Not everything that Google has undertaken has turned to gold pressed latinum. Remember Glass, Buzz, Picasa, Google+ and Google TV???.

 

[Ronnie-]

Guys, please do not let the discussion turn personal with responses.

Thank you.

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[Zookster]

Has anyone else been watching the YouTube Original "Impulse"? I'm on episode five and so far, so good. Not your typical teen-with-powers TV show. I mean, yes the premise is typical. But it's so much more. I highly recommend at least checking out the first couple of episodes. The show is by Doug Liman (Bourne Identity), who directs the first episode. Also, lots of familiar faces among the supporting cast.

 

[Ronnie-]

Has anyone else been watching the YouTube Original "Impulse"? I'm on episode five and so far, so good. Not your typical teen-with-powers TV show. I mean, yes the premise is typical. But it's so much more. I highly recommend at least checking out the first couple of episodes. The show is by Doug Liman (Bourne Identity), who directs the first episode. Also, lots of familiar faces among the supporting cast.

Hmmm, Ill have to give it a look. Thanks.

 

[Jhon69]

Did anyone report YoutubeTV has the Starz and Starz Encore channels for $9. now ?
It's suppose to be like 14 channels.
Also YTTV has Fresno/Visalia locals,but no PBS?

 

[Zookster]

Did anyone report YoutubeTV has the Starz and Starz Encore channels for $9. now ?
It's suppose to be like 14 channels.
Also YTTV has Fresno/Visalia locals,but no PBS?

Great news about Starz!
None of the OTT live TV services have PBS.

 

[Jhon69]

Great news about Starz!
None of the OTT live TV services have PBS.

Yea after checking I saw that I was able to use the PBS app and then today I subscribed to YoutubeTV/w Starz and Philo.

 

[Zookster]

Apparently everyone is getting a free week added to their service to make up for the outage during the World Cup this week. In almost two years as a sub, I don't recall PS Vue ever doing anything like that. This just appeared in my Gmail inbox under the Social tab:

Hi there,

We're really sorry for the recent YouTube TV outage during the FIFA World Cup™ Semifinal. We love our TV as much as you do, and our goal is to make sure that you can access your favorite TV - whenever and however you want.

Any recordings of the full game or anything else you were recording should now be available uninterrupted in the Library tab. If you are still experiencing issues, please let us know via email, phone, live chat, or @TeamYouTubeon Twitter.

To help make this right, we’d like to give you a week of free service. You’ll receive another email soon confirming your account has been credited.

Thanks for sticking with us.

Sincerely,
The YouTube TV team​