The OFFICIAL DISH / HBO Thread

[ncted]

It is a newer Netgear. I checked my laptop speed it is getting from the Netgear and it says the wifi speed is 72. I wonder why outboard checks from like Spectrum gives me only 45-50?

72 is the negotiated speed between your laptop and the router. It is the best case scenario. Once you start pushing a lot of traffic across, you will find you won't ever get the full amount. Depending on how close your are to the router, that is almost certainly 2.4GHz. For comparison, I get 867Mbps on 5GHz 802.11ac on my laptop in the same room as my router.

 

[EarDemon]

You may believe DSL is a dead tech but for those of us that choose to live in places where the nearest neighbor is measured in miles not feet DSL is alive and well. Tech upgrades have allowed 20/30 mb connections here in rural Colorado. Yeah I know not much compared to those GB speeds that are available where cable and fiber are available but a godsend to those rancher types that use it to manage the herds. Maybe that 5G cellular I keep hearing about will help but somehow I doubt that the Eastern Plains of Colorado is a priority.


Maybe time we withhold your food supply until we get fiber to OUR curb. ;-)

Yes, DSL is a dead technology. Maybe dormant is a better world, but dormant implies DSL might be significant one day, when it won’t. The little advancements that have been made to it in the past decade have not been widely implemented and show no signs of ever being. No different than saying CDMA is dead or 1XRTT is dead. The service may still be around, but it's not like it's getting any getting better. GPON, FD DOCSIS3.1, LTE-A w/CA are technologies that are being actively developed and/or deployed.

I don’t live in a well populated area. I live on an intersection and if I stand on my roof I can see maybe 5 houses. You can withhold all the food you want, as I can also see the beef I’ll be eating from my roof and they will be slaughtered about 10 miles away in the town south of me. Up until a few years ago, I could hear the bacon and pork chops I would be eating if I had my windows open. While it’s not miles or woods and ranches, I am surrounded by farm land in a town with more churches then places to eat. Not exactly snooty suburbia or urban high-rise hell.

 

[EarDemon]

That is interesting. I do not know if I am using 2.4 over 5. Any idea how to tell? If I am using over 2.4, how do I move it up to 5? I also wonder if my Roku, computer, etc would have any effect at 5?

Higher frequency = Faster speeds over a shorter distance
Lower frequency = Farther distance, better penetration, lower speeds

Not sure if the IEEE has ratified it yet, if they have there doesn’t appear much interest in 802.11ad which operates at 60 GHz and has a theoretical max of 5 or 6 Gbps. Last I read at 60 GHz the max range of the wifi signal would be something like 10 or 15 feet with zero or near zero obstacles in the way.

Speed drops off quick with 5 GHz. I don’t live in a very large house, my wireless access point, is wall mounted in my bedroom on one side of the house, in the kitchen on the opposite side, I lose half of my WAN speed according to my phone. My laptop is only 802.11n and maxes out at 200 Mb on 5 GHz, but it doesn’t really matter as everything I have that can be hardwired is hardwired.

Kitchen

Bedroom

 

[comfortably_numb]

Yes, DSL is a dead technology.

Is satellite a "dead technology?"

Is writing with paper and pen "dead technology?"

Call up Consolidated and ask them if DSL is dead. It comprises a big chunk of their territory and they plan to sell and support it for many years to come. I don't consider that "dead."

Verizon would agree that 1xRTT is dead as they've scheduled end-of-life for next year 12/31/19.

If a technology is relevant then it is not dead.

 

[EarDemon]

Considering Hughes just launched Echostar XIX a year and a half ago providing an increase in speed and capacity, I'd say no. Not sure what Viasat is doing, but I think they are launching or have launched a new satellite recently. One thing is certain, the satellite internet providers are doing a hell of a lot more in their respective industry to improve service then the dying telcos are doing in their industry. DSL is in a Microsoft Extended Support phase. No service enhancements, just general maintenance. It is comatose.

How many millions of new homes have been wired up with DSL recently? How much has the average DSL speed increased over the past 10 years?

Besides the terrible latency, my HughesNet Gen 4 at 10PM is probably pretty much in line with the average higher end DSL speed.

 

[ekilgus]

Is satellite a "dead technology?"

Is writing with paper and pen "dead technology?"

Call up Consolidated and ask them if DSL is dead. It comprises a big chunk of their territory and they plan to sell and support it for many years to come. I don't consider that "dead."

Verizon would agree that 1xRTT is dead as they've scheduled end-of-life for next year 12/31/19.

If a technology is relevant then it is not dead.

There is a technology available to DSL providers (I can't remember what they call it) where they lay fiber along the road connecting to existing copper to the residence. And depending how far the residence is from the fiber, DSL speeds can be anywhere from 25 to 100mbps depending on how far from the fiber connection the residence is. This still represents a cost to the provider but not nearly as much as it would be if they had to connect each residence individually. I also seem to recall that there's a limit of around 1/4 mile of copper.

I think that seems to say that DSL itself is limited by the copper lines and not the technology.

 

[Claude Greiner]

I did a check online with Spectrum locally and 30 Down is $14.75 a month, 100 down for $66.00, 200 Down for $93 a month and 1 gig for $139 a month. I currently have 100 down. I considered dropping to 30 down, but I lose about 50% using wifi and with my son downloading games, streaming HD, I figured going to 30 would give me issues. If I had everything hard wired and had a 30 at all times, it would work out. Even with a good router I still lose about 50% in speed. I have read that is normal.

If you get a good $200+ router you likely will not see any difference in wireless at 30 megs.

 

[MitchDeerfield]

Yes, I think HBO/Cinemax will EVENTUALLY be back on Dish, in approximately 5 or 6 years.

 

[JSheridan]

So it looks like our formerly useful and helpful DISH forum has been overrun with trolls and is pretty much a joke now. What a sad thing.

 

[glynnp]

Yes, I think HBO/Cinemax will EVENTUALLY be back on Dish, in approximately 5 or 6 years.

Good grief, think about how long this and the other thread will be.

 

[ncted]

... it doesn’t really matter as everything I have that can be hardwired is hardwired.

 

[josem3]

HBO has been $15.00 per month. So if there is a new contract with $20.00 per month fee is it worth it. Currently HBO is the highest price family channel offered by Dish.

I won't pay $15 a month for HBO when you can get Netflix for $10 or FREE if you have T-Mobile as a Mobile phone carrier. I see HBO will loss more $$$ at the long term.

 

[EarDemon]

Depends on what you like to watch. I watch much more on HBO then I do on Netflix. I only watch Fuller House and Stranger Things on Netflix. I have T-Mobile and Netflix is definitely not free. Prior to offering ‘free’ Netflix, two lines of unlimited everything was $100/month. Shortly after they raised the price to $120 for two lines is when they started doing ‘Netflix on Us’. Personally I’d rather have the $20/month savings, instead of a streaming TV series I have no interest in and has almost no content I care to watch. Same thing goes for Amazon Prime. If my work didn't pay my Prime subscription, I wouldn't have it. Defiantly not work $120/year to me. I however would pay $60-$70 a year for the two day shipping and the ability to use Prime Pantry, if I could opt out of Prime Video, which is even worse then Netflix.

 

[ncted]

Depends on what you like to watch. I watch much more on HBO then I do on Netflix. I only watch Fuller House and Stranger Things on Netflix. I have T-Mobile and Netflix is definitely not free. Prior to offering ‘free’ Netflix, two lines of unlimited everything was $100/month. Shortly after they raised the price to $120 for two lines is when they started doing ‘Netflix on Us’. Personally I’d rather have the $20/month savings, instead of a streaming TV series I have no interest in and has almost no content I care to watch. Same thing goes for Amazon Prime. If my work didn't pay my Prime subscription, I wouldn't have it. Defiantly not work $120/year to me. I however would pay $60-$70 a year for the two day shipping and the ability to use Prime Pantry, if I could opt out of Prime Video, which is even worse then Netflix.

As you say, depends on what you watch. I probably watch Netflix slighty more than Prime Video or HBO, but all three have content I value enough to subscribe regularly (although not HBO at the moment). I probably get more value out of Prime Video than I do the other Prime services. If there weren't certain things I can only buy from Amazon at a reasonable price, I would probably drop down to Prime Video only. I am actually more excited about stuff on or coming to Prime Video than I am the other services. Specifically future seasons of The Expanse and The Wheel of Time adaptation are must watch for me and my wife.

 

[eddie willers]

I am actually more excited about stuff on or coming to Prime Video than I am the other services. .

They are adapting the funniest book I ever read: Good Omens.

 

[ncted]

They are adapting the funniest book I ever read: Good Omens.

Yes. That too.

 

[pattykay]

So your only downside to agreeing to the extension is you'll have to fight the battle later? In the meantime, you keep your subscribers happy. Now, if part of the extension agreement is Dish would pay in arrears based on the new contract, I get it. But assuming the extension keeps the same contract terms, I'm sorry, I don't see a downside to agreeing to the extension.

I think it is all about timing. Dish wanted the fight with HBO/Cinemax sooner, so that customers who would get upset about that would be mostly over it by the time Dish announced their upcoming price increases. If Dish had agreed to the extension, that would have meant that they would have dropped HBO/Cinemax and announced a price increase at the same time. That would have caused a $hit-storm of angry calls all at once, and that is something that Dish definitely would have wanted to avoid.

 

[Tommyy2]

Ain't Monopolies Great?
ATT is just leveraging their holdings.
Hopefully killing Net Neutrality is going to work out differently.
yea right.......

 

[chiodo]

I think it is all about timing. Dish wanted the fight with HBO/Cinemax sooner, so that customers who would get upset about that would be mostly over it by the time Dish announced their upcoming price increases. If Dish had agreed to the extension, that would have meant that they would have dropped HBO/Cinemax and announced a price increase at the same time. That would have caused a $hit-storm of angry calls all at once, and that is something that Dish definitely would have wanted to avoid.

I think it's still going to cause a $hit storm of calls. Anyhow the big deal will come in April 2019, when Game of Thrones returns, maybe by then it will be settled.

 

[sam_gordon]

I think it is all about timing. Dish wanted the fight with HBO/Cinemax sooner, so that customers who would get upset about that would be mostly over it by the time Dish announced their upcoming price increases. If Dish had agreed to the extension, that would have meant that they would have dropped HBO/Cinemax and announced a price increase at the same time. That would have caused a $hit-storm of angry calls all at once, and that is something that Dish definitely would have wanted to avoid.

Good point. OR, Dish could have extended the contract until AFTER the price increases go into affect.